Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
They need a "Disenfranchise Spokesman"

Jackson and Kerry are perfect for one another - no one can understand a goddamned thing either one says.

Did you see the Daily Show's clips of the Kerry interview with Diane Sawyer last night? Kerry couldn't answer a single fiucking question. Its as though he has a legitimate communication problem.

In fairness, however, the Daily Show's bit juxtaposing Bush's bullshit on the aircraft carrier back in 2003 against his present statements was even more damning. Its as though he has no memory, conscience or shame. He may get my vote, but I wouldn't shake his hand - he's not worthy to wash Nixon's jock. Hell has a special place for the Bush family - I'm certain of it more and more each day.

Oh, and I wonder... Was Cheney aware when he followed Zell Miller at the GOP Convention that on most of the votes Miller ripped Kerry about, Chenye voted the same way as Kerry? How does Dick explain that he voted to stop funding to the military almost as much as Kerry did? Is Dick heavily invested in the spitball industry? And was Miller aware of just how hypocritical it was for him to welcome Tricky Dick after ripping Dick's record to shreds? Its too bad the Dems can't find a good hatchet man - a good hatchet artists like Bubba could beat these fuckwads around the country like Holmes peppering Randall Tex Cobb.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its too bad the Dems can't find a good hatchet man - a good hatchet artists like Bubba could beat these fuckwads around the country like Holmes peppering Randall Tex Cobb.

Agree. The Dems need a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' muthafuckas. Have they ever had one? The Republicans have plenty.*

*but that's b/c they're always so angry. Old angry bitter white men telling the neighbor kids to "STAY OFF MY LAWN" while shaking their fists.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Gee, when you don't have a substantive answer that can't be blown apart on a first pass, just call the other side "silly" or "stupid" or something. You know this Sebby character?

Hello

Oy veh. Look, there is only so much bandwidth and time. I know crazy, unsupportable theories. I offer them up on these boards all the time. You sir, have floated an idiotic theory, and Wonk is right to dismiss it out of pocket. Were we to cull and compile the empirical data to refute your unspportable conclusory statements, we'd be here for days. Suffice it to say, your theory is one of those rare ones that is so flawed in every regard that it does not justify the exercise required for factual rebuttal. If we we were in Court, I'd move for frivolous litigation costs aginst you. THAT is why I called you silly.

People move to the burbs and enjoy the burbs for exactly the simple reason Wonk noted - its nice out there. Its a good place to raise kids. Its nice to have a yard. You're finding nefarious motives where there are none. You sound like some sort of X-Files nut explaining how the Super Bowl is fixed or some claptrap along those lines. Now stop this debate and move on to something sensible already.

I'll even admit you're right if it will placate you and kill this idiot discussion. Whatever it takes...

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
People move to the burbs and enjoy the burbs for exactly the simple reason Wonk noted - its nice out there. Its a good place to raise kids. Its nice to have a yard. You're finding nefarious motives where there are none. You sound like some sort of X-Files nut explaining how the Super Bowl is fixed or some claptrap along those lines. Now stop this debate and move on to something sensible already.

Maybe he hasn't been to the near north side in a while. W/in five years Cabrini Green will be replaced by condos. It's so gentrified there are very few minorities left. People still flee to the burbs, though.

Not me though. Never. I could understand living in the burbs of another city. Some are quite scenic and offer many opportunites for outdoor activities, etc. Not the Chicago burbs. No hills. Shitty traffic. Overpriced farmland.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I thought this election's official oxymoron was compassionate conservative? Or does each party get one?

No, that was the last election. Liberal Thinker is always a permissible one.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oy veh. Look, there is only so much bandwidth and time. I know crazy, unsupportable theories. I offer them up on these boards all the time. You sir, have floated an idiotic theory, and Wonk is right to dismiss it out of pocket. Were we to cull and compile the empirical data to refute your unspportable conclusory statements, we'd be here for days. Suffice it to say, your theory is one of those rare ones that is so flawed in every regard that it does not justify the exercise required for factual rebuttal. If we we were in Court, I'd move for frivolous litigation costs aginst you. THAT is why I called you silly.

People move to the burbs and enjoy the burbs for exactly the simple reason Wonk noted - its nice out there. Its a good place to raise kids. Its nice to have a yard. You're finding nefarious motives where there are none. You sound like some sort of X-Files nut explaining how the Super Bowl is fixed or some claptrap along those lines. Now stop this debate and move on to something sensible already.

I'll even admit you're right if it will placate you and kill this idiot discussion. Whatever it takes...

i.e., "waaah, don't you dare send those people out my way" . Skip your original motivation. Can you or the rest of the NIMBY crowd give one good reason you shouldn't be fairly subjected to the burdens of our national policy? I mean, I realize y'all are saying how you love poor people, and how you ain't afraid of minorities, etc. etc. etc., but I'm not hearing any good reasons why you shouldn't be subject to the same draft I am.

Let me guess though, smart people like you and Wonk and the other suburbanites are too important to serve in Johnson's other great war.

eta White people hate these conversations

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sgtclub
No, that was the last election. Liberal Thinker is always a permissible one.

Dissent. Cite: Cf. Faculty at your own college and law school.

Conservative Intellectual, however, is an oxymoron that will live forever. Cite: all self-proclaimed conservative intellectuals, starting with Bilmore.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Agree. The Dems need a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' muthafuckas. Have they ever had one? The Republicans have plenty.*

*but that's b/c they're always so angry. Old angry bitter white men telling the neighbor kids to "STAY OFF MY LAWN" while shaking their fists.

This is shite. If you look at every election in the last 50 years (and probably longer) the more optimistic/personally likeable candidate always wins. The reason why the DEMs are having trouble this that thier candidate is not optimistic/likeable.

Anger never wins shit. Clinton stuffed the GOP anger in 1996 and eventually lead to Newt's departure.

[Gattigap]

WSJ reporter Farnaz Fassihi recounts things in Baghdad in emails to friends:

Iraqis like to call this mess 'the situation.' When asked 'how are thing?' they reply: 'the situation is very bad."

What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesn't control most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each day around the country killing and injuring scores of innocent people, the country's roads are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds of landmines and explosive devices aimed to kill American soldiers, there are assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings. The situation, basically, means a raging barbaric guerilla war. In four days, 110 people died and over 300 got injured in Baghdad alone. The numbers are so shocking that the ministry of health -- which was attempting an exercise of public transparency by releasing the numbers -- has now stopped disclosing them.

Insurgents now attack Americans 87 times a day.

Why are wussy reporters from liberal outposts like the WSJ making up these horrible lies? Why, bilmore, why?

[Shape Shifter]

Al Franken has challenged Bill O'Reilly to a friendly bowling match. A group called Meetup.com has organized The Great American Bowl-Off, to happen on Oct 7 at a bowling "center" near you, as part of an effort to put partisan politics aside for a day as the election heats up. A spokesman for O'Reilly has said, "Bill O'Reilly is not going to respond to anything Al Franken says." O'Reilly was probably afraid that Al would catch him in another lie. Or Al may have challenged O'Reilly to wager his prestigious Peabody awards that he won for his work on A Current Affair.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Dissent. Cite: Cf. Faculty at your own college and law school.

Conservative Intellectual, however, is an oxymoron that will live forever. Cite: all self-proclaimed conservative intellectuals, starting with Bilmore.

Must be a 9th circuit dissent. Don't worry, it will be reversed.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Maybe he hasn't been to the near north side in a while. W/in five years Cabrini Green will be replaced by condos. It's so gentrified there are very few minorities left. People still flee to the burbs, though.

Not me though. Never. I could understand living in the burbs of another city. Some are quite scenic and offer many opportunites for outdoor activities, etc. Not the Chicago burbs. No hills. Shitty traffic. Overpriced farmland.

OK, so showing that yuppies come back when they aren't subject to concentrated public housing and section 8 goes against what I'm saying how? Meantime, the tax base of the south suburbs is steadily dropping as section 8 concentrations move in. Where haven't we seen that before? But its all just a coincidence, because some people just want a one acre lot (with no poor people within 10 miles).

[SlaveNoMore]

y Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Dissent. Cite: Cf. Faculty at your own college and law school.

In this instance, you are confusing "liberal thinker" with "useless liberal"

[sgtclub]

Recent polls show Bush ahead of Kerry by 9 points (CBS-NYT), 6 points (Gallup) or 3 points (Zogby). One Pew poll even put Bush ahead of Kerry by 16 points. The average of national polls has Bush 6 points ahead. Apparently, just like in Vietnam, it's taken Kerry only four months to piss off everyone around him.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This is shite. If you look at every election in the last 50 years (and probably longer) the more optimistic/personally likeable candidate always wins. The reason why the DEMs are having trouble this that thier candidate is not optimistic/likeable.

Anger never wins shit. Clinton stuffed the GOP anger in 1996 and eventually lead to Newt's departure.

I didn't mean the actual candidates. I meant others doing the dirty work for those candidates. Marcellus Wallace didn't go to work on the homes with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. He had others do it for him.