Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


In ten or twenty years, if we're lucky, this torture episode will be seen as one of the truly dark moments in the nation's legal history, like Dred Scott and Korematsu.

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If Ned Lamont and Howard Dean have their way in 10-20 years there will be no one left to torture. All of us infidels will be dead.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I saw those people jump and was 4 blocks away when the towers fell. Unlike you apparently, I don't need a reminder.

If you don't need a reminder then why were you supporting Hank's statement that they should be showing the footage every day on television? That is what you were defending, remember?

Or have you just taken to reactively attacking anything I say?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you two can go get a beer when my commercials play. other people need reminders.

Ty is more of a boxed wine type of guy.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If you don't need a reminder then why were you supporting Hank's statement that they should be showing the footage every day on television? That is what you were defending, remember?

The left needs a reminder.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The left needs a reminder.

the left is lost. the middle needs the reminder.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the left is lost. the middle needs the reminder.

2. My badd.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Good answer, it goes along with your cartoon network comment below. You advocate policies and capitulations that compromise the national security of our country and defend the "rights" of the agressors and then make ignorant comments like pudding and cartoon network to imply that the people here who are in favour of freedom and defending our nation's interests are not worthy of your serious high minded thought.

Better shorthand for your position would be:

"cut and run" or "appease now!"

At least it would be truly relevant.

If you say something worthy of a thoughtful response, I make a thoughtful response. If you say stupid shit like you have armed your little girls with 9mm.s then I will throw something inane back at you.

Show me one instance where I have defended the rights of any "aggressors." I am opposed to scapegoating the entire Arab population, which seems to be who you define as the enemy.

And I don't for one minute believe you are more than the tiniest bit interested in either freedom or defending the nation. I think you are bored and you like to fuck with people so you say whatever you think will get you the attention you crave. You're a smart guy and you're very personable. However you also bore easily and when you get bored, you act like a spoiled child.

Your big patriot act is a crock of shit, just like your Baby Jesus act, and your sock wars before that. Don't talk to me about relevance. You get relevance when you are worthy of it.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If you say something worthy of a thoughtful response, I make a thoughtful response. If you say stupid shit like you have armed your little girls with 9mm.s then I will throw something inane back at you.

Show me one instance where I have defended the rights of any "aggressors." I am opposed to scapegoating the entire Arab population, which seems to be who you define as the enemy.

And I don't for one minute believe you are more than the tiniest bit interested in either freedom or defending the nation. I think you are bored and you like to fuck with people so you say whatever you think will get you the attention you crave. You're a smart guy and you're very personable. However you also bore easily and when you get bored, you act like a spoiled child.

Your big patriot act is a crock of shit, just like your Baby Jesus act, and your sock wars before that. Don't talk to me about relevance. You get relevance when you are worthy of it.

Is it possible to put a poster on Ignore for a specific board only?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Is it possible to put a poster on Ignore for a specific board only?

wonk? ignore him completely. honestly, what would you lose?

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
You're going to duck the question again?

Rove was asked if heard X about Wilson/Plame and he confirmed it?

Was what Armitage/Powell did (ie shutting up) the right thing to do when the press was savaging Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby?

And - one more time - was Joe Wilson, first lying to Nick Kristof then lying again under his own name, doing the right thing?

[SlaveNoMore]

taxwonk
If you don't need a reminder then why were you supporting Hank's statement that they should be showing the footage every day on television? That is what you were defending, remember?

Or have you just taken to reactively attacking anything I say?

"I" don't need a reminder.

That doesn't mean that 3/4s of the country doesn't.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Rove was asked if heard X about Wilson/Plame and he confirmed it?

That might be a good explanation only if he wasn't making a concerted effort to shop the information elsewhere at the same time. Which he was, as Fitzpatrick revealed some time ago. Notably, Broder ignores this. Indeed, the only reason Armitage knew at all was that he was looking at materials prepared by Scooter Libby.

Was what Armitage/Powell did (ie shutting up) the right thing to do when the press was savaging Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby?

Armitage told Powell, who told State's GC. State's GC asked Gonzales if he wanted to know about it; Gonzales said no. Armitage tendered his resignation, which was refused. He then testified for Fitzpatrick without a lawyer.

What should Armitage have done that he didn't do? He seems to have shown some class.

And - one more time - was Joe Wilson, first lying to Nick Kristof then lying again under his own name, doing the right thing?

I don't recall the details of how Wilson did or did not lie, and in any event do not think they have anything to do with Broder's column.

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212743,00.html Clintonites are starting to realize how history will see them after the documentary has been made public. Lot's of bitching- but here's my favorite part (it's like Penske wrote this thing):

• The former Clinton officials reportedly are outraged that producers wrote into the film a sequence that strongly infers the president was preoccupied with the Monica Lewinsky affair instead of focusing on the threat from Usama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Lindsey's letter to Iger reportedly points out that the 9/11 Commission — which Kean co-chaired — actually stated that Clinton was "deeply concerned about bin Laden," and that he received constant updates from administration intelligence and security officials.

I would argue that unless we can find some Clinton DNA on Osama's robe the President was more engaged with that woman, ....Ms. Lewinsky.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If you say something worthy of a thoughtful response, I make a thoughtful response. If you say stupid shit like you have armed your little girls with 9mm.s then I will throw something inane back at you.

Part of that was obvious hyperbole, the kids below age 3 can';t handle a 9mm, they have 22s. The point is the new D party of Ned Lamont and Howard Dean leave us in a position where that will be our only defence as they capitulate to the enemy. Perhaps take it as helpful advice to start arming now.

Originally posted by taxwonk


Show me one instance where I have defended the rights of any "aggressors."

I am not going to go and search your posts from the last Israel-Hezbollah war, but I recall we had a discussion about your support for the aggressor on that one, no?

Originally posted by taxwonk
I am opposed to scapegoating the entire Arab population, which seems to be who you define as the enemy.

I am not defining the whole of the Arab population as the enemy, just those portions who are Radical Islamics bent on destroying America or Israel and the supporters of the same.

Originally posted by taxwonk


And I don't for one minute believe you are more than the tiniest bit interested in either freedom or defending the nation. \

I call bullshit. I am fully about freedom and defence of the American ideal. Please cite me anything specific about me or my life to this point that would indicate otherwise. I spent decades working in politics because I passionately believed in those concepts. These days I focus my effourts on more communitarian based projects. Like reaching across the political divide to bridge the gaps in my local community and create opportunities for freedom for all.

Originally posted by taxwonk


You're a smart guy and you're very personable.

2.

Originally posted by taxwonk


Your big patriot act is a crock of shit, just like your Baby Jesus act, and your sock wars before that. Don't talk to me about relevance. You get relevance when you are worthy of it.

Dissent. See above on the patriot act. I have walked the walk as well as talked the talk. AS for BabyJesus, I believe, what more needs to be said, other than to promote the virtues of the BabyJesus is my response to those who would tear down the moral values of our great nation and to those who label the faithful supporters of our President as religious freaks. There is nothign wrong with religion,m faith or positive morality, per se. And as for socks, I don't sock, so I miss the point of the reference.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"I" don't need a reminder.

That doesn't mean that 3/4s of the country doesn't.

The 53 Million who voted for W probably are okay. The 49 million who voted for Kerry are probably beyond hope. it is the other couple hundred million who need a reminder.