Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
From what I linked to:

• “I know all about Polk street ...”

I always suspected something was amiss at Nick's Crispy Taco.

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
We have heard from British Intelligence that Mary Cheney is a lesbian.

I also learned that she had a yellow cake at her last birthday.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I am not looking at the pictures.

The pics weren't bad - I just jacked off to this one -

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
I also learned that she had a yellow cake at her last birthday.

Nice. I thought you were running with that bit you've been touting about how Lynne Cheney likes golden showers. Good to see you've come to your senses.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by LessinSF
The pics weren't bad - I just jacked off to this one -

HS: Beetlejuice, what's your position on abortion?

BJ: Abortion? I like abortion. It makes me horny.

You're in excellent company.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'll take your sarcasm, raise you by the truth, and end with the only possible logical conclusion. Dispute this:

1.)>>The president’s call for a constitutional amendment came under sharp criticism Tuesday night from Democratic presidential candidates Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards.

Both candidates reiterated their opposition to gay marriage during a California debate, but they also said the issue should be left up to the states to decide.
“He’s doing this because he’s in (political) trouble. ... He’s playing politics with the Constitution of the United States,” said Kerry, the front-runner for the nomination.<<

2.)>> ‘A problem that does not exist’
“This president is talking ... about amending the constitution for a problem that does not exist,” Edwards said.

Directly contradicting a claim made by Bush, Kerry also said the Constitution does not require states to recognize gay marriage licenses granted elsewhere in the country.
“I think, in fact, that no state has to recognize something that is against their public policy,” he said. And for two centuries, “we have left marriage up to the states.”<<


Conclusion: Uhm, full faith and credit?

Hello

ETA And before any asshole starts saying mean things, lplease note that I am opposed to mean things. Basically, opposed on a personal level? Because certainly not on a state level for any particular state, and he's certainly opposed to opposing it on a national level. Admit it man, John Kerry is for all things gay.

Kerry's position, I believe, is that he is against the Mass. Supreme Court decision opening marriage to gays and lesbians, and against the GOP-backed constitutional amendment. Others on this board have pointed out why the Full Faith and Credit Clause does not do what you seem to think it does.

Maybe things look differently from San Francisco, but John Kerry is no Gavin Newsome on these issues.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Golly, you must be right, because there's really no other explanation for these telephone calls in Michigan:

• In a recording of a phone call played for The Associated Press, a young woman says: "When you vote this Tuesday remember to legalize gay marriage by supporting John Kerry. We need John Kerry in order to make gay marriage legal for our city. Gay marriage is a right we all want. It's a basic Democrat principle. It's time to move forward and be progressive. Without John Kerry, George Bush will stop gay marriage. That's why we need Kerry. So Tuesday, stand up for gay marriage by supporting John Kerry."

linky

since no one listens to recorded phone calls, its no harm no foul.

I got 2 recorded phone calls from candidates for the "no name" positions yesterday. 1 guy for County drain commission and 1 for State Board of Education. Since the typical recorded phone call pisses me off, and since I had no preset notion of how I was going to vote in either election, I submit unknown candidates doing recorded messages is a very risky move. They both lost a vote with me.

And on another thing, Michigan, which is now apparently leaning Kerry will comfortably pass a ban on Gay marriage. I forget who it was who said the majority do not really support this kind of hate. Guess what, tomorrow Michigan will go to 1 candidate in a close race, and a ban on gay marriage will pass comfortably. How do people get this way?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Kerry's position, I believe, is that he is against the Mass. Supreme Court decision opening marriage to gays and lesbians,

But that doesn't mean he's against gay marriage. In fact, he says he's opposed, but he's all in favor of state's being able to legalize it, and... see the rest of your quote below:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
and against the GOP-backed constitutional amendment.

Does the answer to this question depend on what the definition of "opposed" is? Because the evidence is clear that 1.)he says he's opposed, 2.)but is in fact opposed to opposing it and in favor of allowing it to be legalized.

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'll take your sarcasm, raise you by the truth, and end with the only possible logical conclusion. Dispute this:

1.)>>The president’s call for a constitutional amendment came under sharp criticism Tuesday night from Democratic presidential candidates Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards.

Both candidates reiterated their opposition to gay marriage during a California debate, but they also said the issue should be left up to the states to decide.
“He’s doing this because he’s in (political) trouble. ... He’s playing politics with the Constitution of the United States,” said Kerry, the front-runner for the nomination.<<

2.)>> ‘A problem that does not exist’
“This president is talking ... about amending the constitution for a problem that does not exist,” Edwards said.

Directly contradicting a claim made by Bush, Kerry also said the Constitution does not require states to recognize gay marriage licenses granted elsewhere in the country.
“I think, in fact, that no state has to recognize something that is against their public policy,” he said. And for two centuries, “we have left marriage up to the states.”<<


Conclusion: Uhm, full faith and credit?

Hello

ETA And before any asshole starts saying mean things, lplease note that I am opposed to mean things. Basically, opposed on a personal level? Because certainly not on a state level for any particular state, and he's certainly opposed to opposing it on a national level. Admit it man, John Kerry is for all things gay.

If you're going to characterize all things rational as being gay, well, then, I certainly hope Kerry is for all things gay. I do not think he is quite there however, and one can only hope he will get gayer over the course of his administration.

I think that the full faith and credit clause has actually gotten quite a workout on this issue, with the current law being that married in one state does not necessarily mean married for all purposes everywhere. The federal defense of marriage act explicitly makes that the case for federal purposes. This happens in many areas - the fact that one can drive at Age 14 in State X does not mean your license is good in New York. And so today the Massachusetts marriage license doesn't work in Utah.

I happen to think that it is crazy for any state to be in the marriage business, and that God is likely far more accepting than almost any of us, and certainly than either Kerry or Bush.

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Nice. I thought you were running with that bit you've been touting about how Lynne Cheney likes golden showers. Good to see you've come to your senses.

Well, she DOES like golden showers, but that story didn't get any traction in the polls, so I changed tracks a bit.

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I actually don't have it out for you. I've never seen you get judgmental on anyone. All I've seen is quiet, polite advocacy of your religious beliefs. I'd say that approach is far more likely to reach people than any of the fire and brimstone horseshit the Jesus Loons employ.*

* I wouldn't define a person who's merely faithful, unabashedly so, as a "Jesus Loon". The Loons are those who intend to make me faithful if not by conversion than by legislation. I see nothing in your record advocating that approach.

There are still Jimmy Carter born-agains out there.

But, thank you. Now it's just BRC who has it out for me, and my entire generation.

Do you think it would help if she knew that I am 6' 2", salt and pepper hair, hike, climb or ski every weekend, and am generally described as good looking by many around here? Is it just the ugly boomers, or perhaps the ugly, dumb boomers she dislikes?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Well, she DOES like golden showers, but that story didn't get any traction in the polls, so I changed tracks a bit.

Kitty Kelly's housekeeper is a poor source. I'm still waiting for that photo set of the Bush twins going at it in high school at a party. I can't tell whether the brunette or the blonde is looking better these days. The blonde is a tad chunky, but she just looks sooo naughty. But the brunette works these "come hither" eyes...

In a perfect world, Bush loses, the family is indicted for securities fraud of some sort somewhere and loses everything and the twins wind up in Playboy in Fall of 2006.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Watchtower
There are still Jimmy Carter born-agains out there.

But, thank you. Now it's just BRC who has it out for me, and my entire generation.

Do you think it would help if she knew that I am 6' 2", salt and pepper hair, hike, climb or ski every weekend, and am generally described as good looking by many around here? Is it just the ugly boomers, or perhaps the ugly, dumb boomers she dislikes?

I don't know, but stop it. Now I'm as horny as Less.

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Kitty Kelly's housekeeper is a poor source. I'm still waiting for that photo set of the Bush twins going at it in high school at a party.

Goinng at it with each other? I don't find either of them to be all that, but if such a tape existed, it would at the very least, be interesting.

[Replaced_Texan]

In Texas, early voting ended on Friday, and all records were broken. In the top 15 counties in Texas, 29.66 percent of the registered voters (2,412,952 people) have already voted. The lines were packed. At the city's Multiservices Center, there were about 100 people an hour voting. At the Fiesta on Kirby, the lines were up and down the aisles. (One of my family members was elated that he found dehydrated garlic in one of the aisles while he was waiting to vote. He'd been looking for some for quite some time.)

Anyhow, Texas was always going to go to Bush, but there is now speculation that the margin isn't going to be nearly as big as last time. Bush is actually going to campaign here tonight.

I think that in Texas, Democratic anger may be as strong as in places like Florida, because of the redistricting fight last year as well as general Democratic anger. I've never seen Democrats so mobilized, and the polls suggest that there's a resurgence in the party in Texas. Part of it is due to population changes (earlier this year, the census bureau found that there is no longer an ethnic majority in Texas), and I think a lot of it is due to generally being pissed off. The convention in June was PACKED and there was a lot of really positive energy flowing out of it. More importantly a lot of the people at the convention were first time delegates.

The Washington Times had an article last week that was fairly pessimistic about Republican chances in the House races here. Remember, the redistricting mess was brought about so the Republicans could gain seats in the House. They were supposed to get five guarnateed seats out of the Tom DeLay maps, and now it's looking like they'll probably only get two or three. (We'll probably lose Charlie Stenholm, which is a blow not only to his district, but to all of Texas because he was a ranking member of the Agriculture Committee, and he brought a lot of good things (read: pork) to Texas. The Sessions/Frost race is too close to call, and the President will be campaigning for Sessions tonight. That was supposed to be a fairly easy win for Sessions. Chet Edwards, Max Sandlin, and Nick Lampson are all within range of winning, and high voter turnout is good for all of them.)

No one has really been paying attention to us because it's not been a state in play for the Presidency, I think that there's a shift in attitude here in Texas, and it's going to be very interesting to see how it all pans out.