Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Can't win your argument so you bring in the emotional toil of a friend. Weak. Since when am I responsible for making her feel good. She may have feelings but that doesn't change the facts. Riding on a commerical airlines is a lot safer than driving on an interestate. That is no consolation to the people that have lost loved ones in plane accidents, but that doesn't make it any less true just because it won't make someone feel good.

I'm sorry -- what argument can I not win? I was only pointing out that the fighting there continues. Which is true.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
My biggest fear when Ty started posting politics on the FB was that we would end up having the PB infiltrated with books, sex, and cooking posts. If only he never would have hit the confirm post button (or had been faster with the edit and delete).

And now my worst fears are coming true.

Hank, can we get a ruling?

2. after seeing things like ncs ignoring clear guidlines and posting non-series Politics here, can we deny that those who man the ship of state for the PB have let it get somewhat out of contriol. Can we deny control*? Just as Kofi Annan, despite not yet having been arrested, should resign now due to his poor management so too must Ty. Ty has not taken bribes from Iraq, or i should say there has been no such allegation. But just as Ty wants Bush accoutnable for Prv. Englund at Abu Gharibu, so too must Annan take the fall for his underlings and I am sorry too say, so too must my dear friend Ty step down over this sorry sorry example.

*wasnotwas reference.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm sorry -- what argument can I not win?

The broader policy argument. Ultimately history will vindicate W's leadership in the War on the Terror and the world will be a freer place for his efforts and sacrifice. So sayeth the babyjesus. Verily.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. after seeing things like ncs ignoring clear guidlines and posting non-series Politics here, can we deny that those who man the ship of state for the PB have let it get somewhat out of contriol. Can we deny control*? Just as Kofi Annan, despite not yet having been arrested, should resign now due to his poor management so too must Ty. Ty has not taken bribes from Iraq, or i should say there has been no such allegation. But just as Ty wants Bush accoutnable for Prv. Englund at Abu Gharibu, so too must Annan take the fall for his underlings and I am sorry too say, so too must my dear friend Ty step down over this sorry sorry example.

*wasnotwas reference.

Sad but true.

RT?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


You seem to have misunderstood the Financial Times piece entirely. Try reading it again.

BTW - this guy was arguing that since this treaty would not increase labor wages, that it would not increase the standard of living. And therefor the treaty was bad because it would not indcrease the standard of living of the CAFTA workers. 1) First of all this has nothing to do with free trade. 2) Generally economists agree that the standard of living is not increased through a minimum wage. The best way to increase the standard of living is increase the demand for workers. If America buys more CAFTA products, there will be more demand for workers in these countrys thereby giving them more bargaining power. The theory behind free trade is not to increase the regulations in the countrys but to reduce them. You may disagree with this theory but then you don't really believe in free trade.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. after seeing things like ncs ignoring clear guidlines and posting non-series Politics here, can we deny that those who man the ship of state for the PB have let it get somewhat out of contriol. Can we deny control*? Just as Kofi Annan, despite not yet having been arrested, should resign now due to his poor management so too must Ty. Ty has not taken bribes from Iraq, or i should say there has been no such allegation. But just as Ty wants Bush accoutnable for Prv. Englund at Abu Gharibu, so too must Annan take the fall for his underlings and I am sorry too say, so too must my dear friend Ty step down over this sorry sorry example.

*wasnotwas reference.

Until we get a new board, I think we should be able to post stuff about books etc here until we get our own board. If NCS doesn't post the stuff here I won't see it. Until things change I think you should not enforce strict politics rules here. Unless things really get out of hand.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm sorry -- what argument can I not win? I was only pointing out that the fighting there continues. Which is true.

Haven't you noticed? I have been winning all of them. Pay attention.

What about Book Club? We just need to start synchronising the books that we read and then we are off to the races.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Until we get a new board, I think we should be able to post stuff about books etc here until we get our own board. If NCS doesn't post the stuff here I won't see it. Until things change I think you should not enforce strict politics rules here. Unless things really get out of hand.

Is this some like underhanded subtle weirdass insurgency thing? Like MR said, use the big board.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Is this some like underhanded subtle weirdass insurgency thing? Like MR said, use the big board.

Big Board? There is a big board? I guess there is a big board. So why doesn't the insurgency use the Big Board?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sad but true.

RT?

the poster paigowprincess pm'd me that she would consider being a mod. Maybe she'd be a good choice? She's been around long enough to know whats what, and she seems somewhat apolitic. I always found Ty's decisions to be supported by an alleged good faith reason, but I do know of at least 2 republican posters that claim they've seen bias- why live with the appearance of impropriety?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I understood it and I don't think you did. As I said his only gripe is about labor standards.

Can we agree that this is an aspect of free trade?

Now I see the problem. You don't understand what a NTB (non-tariff trade barrier) is.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but kiss my ass. I keep posting about non-tariff trade barriers, and until now you have been ignoring me.

Yes there are other barriers to free trade, so called non-tariff trade barriers, but that is not what the article is about and that is not what these labor and environmental provisions are about. . . . but environmental and labor riders are not reducing NTBs. They are actually increasing barriers.

If we won't trade with CAFTA because they don't have the right labor standards, that is an NTB. Not the other way around. You have got it backwards. Free trade is about reducing barriers and these riders increase the barriers. We will not buy your products because you damage the environment- that is increasing trade barriers not reducing it.

I think you and I probably agree in principle that governmental subsidies can be what you call a NTB -- an obstacle to free trade. The governments in these countries are subsidizing their businesses, in essence, by permitting them to exploit their workers in ways which ours are not allowed to. The failure to level the playing field in this respect is either permitting a NTB to continue, or a backhanded way to try to reduce domestic labor law in the guise of improving trade.

I haven't read the whole treaty. It is very thick but I have read some summaries. The main thing is it reduces tariffs. It reduces some NTBs. Yes the enviromental and labor standards increase trade barriers but the benefits out weigh the costs.

Please explain the cost-benefit analysis by which you concluded that the benefits outweigh the costs. You may persuade me yet.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The broader policy argument. Ultimately history will vindicate W's leadership in the War on the Terror and the world will be a freer place for his efforts and sacrifice. So sayeth the babyjesus. Verily.

How is history going to vindicate that we let Osama bin Laden get away at Tora Bora? We're all on the same page about the war in Afghanistan, except that the Democrats here were in favor of catching Osama bin Laden a couple of years back instead of letting him get away.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
The theory behind free trade is not to increase the regulations in the countrys but to reduce them. You may disagree with this theory but then you don't really believe in free trade.

Common-law property rights are a form of regulation, too.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Haven't you noticed? I have been winning all of them. Pay attention.

What about Book Club? We just need to start synchronising the books that we read and then we are off to the races.

I think it's a great idea, but only if enough people are interested.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the poster paigowprincess pm'd me that she would consider being a mod. Maybe she'd be a good choice? She's been around long enough to know whats what, and she seems somewhat apolitic. I always found Ty's decisions to be supported by an alleged good faith reason, but I do know of at least 2 republican posters that claim they've seen bias- why live with the appearance of impropriety?

As I recall, the only person I've censored was Penske, and it was something to do with pictures of 9/11 that reasonable people would find disturbing. What am I forgetting?