Politics: A new beginning

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Forgive me if I'm skeptical, but do you have a cite from a non-partisan source? Also, that 650 number only applies to that particular type of procedure. I suspect that there are others that would be banned under the new law.

I can't vouch for the numbers, but the procedure banned (or at least the one they are talking about; whether the law is overly broad and covers other methods as well) is very rarely used. It is performed late in the pregnancy when other abortion options are not available. There's pretty much no escaping that this law primarily has rhetorical value and does not really address 99% of the abortions performed in the US.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub


(e) True, depending on the estate value of the small business/family farmers.

(f) No idea on this one, but I'd suspect that at least several 100,000 procedures are performed each year.

1). These statements (well, the ones to which they refer) have also been parroted by people on the Hill, from both sides of the aisle.

2) The "death" tax hurts anyone who is subject to it. What's the canard is that it somehow disproportionately impacts farmers and small businesses. It does not. It does disproportionately impact people of modest means who have accumulated sizable but not enormous wealth in their lifetime but failed to take appropriate estate-planning steps to avoid substantially the onus of hte tax.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
There's pretty much no escaping that this law primarily has rhetorical value and does not really address 99% of the abortions performed in the US.

Well, 99.95%. But who's counting?

[rufus leeking]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
By the way, I am not Ty. Or if I am, he's not letting me tell you.

duh. everyone knows that. You are the new Jfuck sock.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Someone's Evil Twin
OK, I understnad that Sgt. Club is Bilmore here. But Panda, SS, SAM, which of you is Ty here?

Not Ty. Wish I had as much time as he (or Bilmore) has to post on these boards.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by rufus leeking
duh. everyone knows that. You are the new Jfuck sock.

I thought you were. The Memo again eludes me.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I thought you were. The Memo again eludes me.

You might be a big dummy, but I think you were right in this case.

[rufus leeking]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I thought you were. The Memo again eludes me.

of course I am a sock, indeed a sock of a very popular poster. I truly have no idea what J--- means, or his style, or why this sock seems like one of his. I was more concerned that my sock would wear thin and you would see my true underlying poster, so if I truly come off as someone else I guess that good, except if I come off as the sock of someone bad IYSMP

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Shape Shifter is not my sock. My socks include:

• JustForFun
  The Hank Chinaski Experience
  ruth bader meinhof
  Anon.
  Maggie Simpson
  Penske_Immaterial
  Are You There Skeks? It's Me, Margaret.

That is all.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Shape Shifter is not my sock. My socks include:

• JustForFun

So, Tygow really is just one person?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Not Ty. Wish I had as much time as he (or Bilmore) has to post on these boards.

Not that the poster was serious, but I don't post under other names, and haven't for a long time.

S_A_M

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So, Tygow really is just one person?

Please Santa, all I want for Christmas is to see Paigow and Ty together on "Elimidate".

[Someone's Evil Twin]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Not that the poster was serious, but I don't post under other names, and haven't for a long time.

S_A_M

I wasn't suggesting any of you were Ty's sock.

I was suggesting that you were taking the "Ty" role in these "Ty/Bilmore" battles.

It is good to see the traditional continuing with Bilmore gone. Please, though, my friends, I have interrupted you long enough. Back to bickering...

[Connect_the_Dots]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
As to the Bush Administration:

(a) "Iraq has WMD and lots of it." (repeat as needed)

To be fair, I think the pre-war talk was about the threat of WMDs and the program to develop them.

(b) "My tax cuts provide most of their benefits to the middle class."

Umm, I think he said it would boost the economy, not that it would benefit the middle class most. If a $1 tax cut produces more than a $1 increase in the GDP, then it is a good thing. I don't think he was correct about the tax cut, but at least blame him for what he actually said.

(d) "The Bush tax cuts did not cause or contribute to the deficit -- that's due to the economic downturn and national security."

Umm, that is partially correct. The tax cuts only contributed about 22% to the deficit. The rest of it was due to spending increases (partly his fault) and reductions in projected revenues due to the recession (not his fault).

(e) The "death tax" harms small buinesses and the family farmers -- eliminating it will help them.

It does. More weathly people can hire tax planners to avoid much estate tax. And their holdings tend to be in publicly traded stocks, which can be sold to pay the rest. Small farms and family businesses can't pay the tax without liquidating the business. Moreover, the tax doesn't contribute much to revenue, but costs a lot for IRS to enforce and people to comply with.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
You might be a big dummy,

I think the fb would be a dangerous place for you.