Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Okay, but this doesn't make Byrd any less reprehensible. I don't understand why Dems who would throw a Repub under the bus for Byrd-esque past activities and stances rush to the guy's defense because he now votes for stuff they like. Hypocritical and a good example of what is wrong with our two party system today. And (in case I don't post here enough for you to know) I'm a Dem. If I have to put up with these labels.

I despise Byrd, and am not "rushing to his defense."

Last week, I noted that Helms continues to insist in his new autobio that segregation was a good and wonderful thing that would have ended naturally, due to the inherent goodness of southern white folk, if only those uppity niggras and jew activists had gotten involved. Club responded that Helms must have learned that from Byrd. This week, Byrd came out, and at least admitted that joining the KKK was "a mistake." Not evil, but a "mistake" (sort of like the Pope's view on being a Nazi, but whatever).

Cue the Wahhabi Repubs to explain how Dems are all racist because Lincoln freed the slaves.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Okay, but this doesn't make Byrd any less reprehensible. I don't understand why Dems who would throw a Repub under the bus for Byrd-esque past activities and stances rush to the guy's defense because he now votes for stuff they like. Hypocritical and a good example of what is wrong with our two party system today.

You have redeemed my once and former crush on you. Carry on.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I figured you thought that shooting federal law enforcement officers is protected by the Second Amendment, but I didn't realize you think it's protected by the Free Exercise Clause as well.

The Bible tells us, "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" and it is my understanding that Koresh was the second coming (which thought I respect as equally valid as the other religion of peace and tolerance, Islam, because everything is morally relative), and thus Koresh was exercising his dad's vengeance proxy, no?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Ever get the feeling that penske is kind of like a hairier, funnier Ann Coulters?

the difference is I shave my legs and bikini line, Ann is au natural (or so Slave told me).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
The Bible tells us, "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" and it is my understanding that Koresh was the second coming (which thought I respect as equally valid as the other religion of peace and tolerance, Islam, because everything is morally relative), and thus Koresh was exercising his dad's vengeance proxy, no?

But the Bible says, render unto the ATF the things that are the ATF's. Plus, I'm pretty sure that the Bible passage you have in mind only applies to tall, suave, black men.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I despise Byrd, and am not "rushing to his defense."

Last week, I noted that Helms continues to insist in his new autobio that segregation was a good and wonderful thing that would have ended naturally, due to the inherent goodness of southern white folk, if only those uppity niggras and jew activists had gotten involved.

I missed this, can I get the cite to where he actually used the words "uppity niggras and jew activists" in a modern setting?

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
This week, Byrd came out, and at least admitted that joining the KKK was "a mistake." Not evil, but a "mistake" (sort of like the Pope's view on being a Nazi, but whatever).

And you still fail to respond how as to how that apology for a single action means anything in light of a subsequent documented twenty-five year history of racist speech and action. My posit is that it is a meaningless sop and that the people his people (and by association him) lynched should not be bamboozled by this.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch


Cue the Wahhabi Repubs to explain how Dems are all racist because Lincoln freed the slaves.

By implication you tried to tag all Repubs as racist by virtue of southern republicans lack of support for the civil rights act (and subsequent republican presidential candidates exploitation of that position for electoral gain). I responded in like kind. Why is one criticism any more legitimate than the other?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

So how come it was only Southern Republicans who wanted to duck the voice vote on the lynching apology?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So how come it was only Southern Republicans who wanted to duck the voice vote on the lynching apology?

They weren't doing the lynching, the Byrds of the world were. those guys have a lot to apolgize for.

Kennedy was probably thinking about Mj Kopechne, Marilyn and all of the women his nephews and/or cousin-in-laws have raped and/or murdered (allegedly) when he cast his vote. there is a lot to atone for in the democratic leadership.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
They weren't doing the lynching, the Byrds of the world were.

You think so, huh?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Gattigap
You think so, huh?

If you can find me a photoshopped picture of Helms in sheets , I would stipulate to a moral relativity between the two.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
If you can find me a photoshopped picture of Helms in sheets , I would stipulate to a moral relativity between the two.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
They weren't doing the lynching, the Byrds of the world were. those guys have a lot to apolgize for.

How odd, then, that Senators Inouye (Hawaii), Baucus (Montana) and Obama (Illinois) (for example) were OK with a roll call vote on the apology, but your Southern Republicans didn't want to go on the record.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

Touché.

eta: i said phottoshopped, that pic looks legit!

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
How odd, then, that Senators Inouye (Hawaii), Baucus (Montana) and Obama (Illinois) (for example) were OK with a roll call vote on the apology, but your Southern Republicans didn't want to go on the record.

BTW, how is the Senate allowed to do anything these days, with all the so-called "filibusters" going on?

I thought the whole point of the filibuster was to halt all other Senate business?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
They weren't doing the lynching, the Byrds of the world were. those guys have a lot to apolgize for.

I'm pretty sure that James Byrd was the one that was lynched only a few years ago. Neither of the Senators from his state (Texas) signed on to the apology.