Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by evenodds
He's been washed up for a while.

Now that Gatti-Ward is over forever, there really aren't any fights I am anticipating. I would like to see Roy Jones fight Chris Byrd, but it looks as if he will fight Holyfield. Lewis may fight Klitschko, but I don't have high hopes for that fight. Lewis will win within 3 rounds.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear Grant and Ruiz were the same fighter.

Roy Jones will never fight Byrd. No payday. I hope Holyfield gets lucky and rings Jones' bell with a windmill. Its too bad we'll never see a Jones v. Tyson match - Jones would never get near that action.

The Jones/Ruiz fight was a new low in boxing. Pitting a washed up stiff against a lower weight class fighter is a recipe for a dull fight.

Jones fancies himself a badass, but he dances around the ring like a Michael Nunn-ish pansey.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Any good law gigs in London?

I bet you'd look good in a black robe and powdered wig.

[evenodds]

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[Not Bob]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
... it looked clean to me. A little late, maybe, but split second late. And isn't the rule that you still have possession (and still fair game) even if you have got rid of the puck so long as no one else has touched it? I didn't think he led with the elbow either.*


*I still hate Scott Stevens and am so pleased that Kariya scored later on (and got up and walked off the ice after the hit), I just think the call was the correct one.

Hmmm. And I see that slave feels the same way as you do.

Yet I must disagree with both of you. Granted, when I saw it live, I didn't think about the puck possession issue so much as the elbow thing. It just seemed so obvious to me that he led with his elbow that I was shocked that nothing was called. And that Campbell called it a clean hit.

However, I must admit that I am predisposed to think the worst of Stevens, so perhaps I am, uh, Not Right.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Roy Jones will never fight Byrd. No payday. I hope Holyfield gets lucky and rings Jones' bell with a windmill.

Holyfield is a washed up, brain-washed (playing gospel on the way in the ring? way to kill the fight night electricity), raggedy eared loser. A shell of his former self. He will have to be beyond lucky to connect with Jones on more than 10% of his punches. And when he does connect, it'll be a glancing blow thrown between fists of flurry as Jones lights him up.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield Jones fancies himself a badass, but he dances around the ring like a Michael Nunn-ish pansey.

Jones is a bad ass. He's been the best fighter in the world since Tyson got sent up the river. That "dancing around the ring" is called boxing. He is amazing.

I went to one of his fights like 5 years ago and I've never seen anyone move so fast in my life. When he was done toying with his opponent, he slipped a punch and knocked the guy out with a cross before the guy had a chance to pull his arm back to his body from the punch he just threw. Ridiculous. If you want to see him go toe to toe with Evander or anyone else, why don't you just get the pay-per-view Tough Guy Fighting Championship?

Thurgreed(I bet you just love Butterbean)Marshall

[London Joker]

So THIS is where y'all have been hiding!

Are the gang all here?

Brit, Kafka, Chef, Bob, Paigow, etc.

Miss me?

xxx

[evenodds]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Holyfield is a washed up, brain-washed (playing gospel on the way in the ring? way to kill the fight night electricity), raggedy eared loser. A shell of his former self. He will have to be beyond lucky to connect with Jones on more than 10% of his punches. And when he does connect, it'll be a glancing blow thrown between fists of flurry as Jones lights him up.

Jones is a bad ass. He's been the best fighter in the world since Tyson got sent up the river. That "dancing around the ring" is called boxing. He is amazing.

Roy Jones, Jr. Is a fantastic boxer. It's sad that he rarely gets to exercise his skills or fight an exciting fight because he has no real competition.

[SlaveNoMore]

London Joker
So THIS is where y'all have been hiding!

Are the gang all here?

Brit, Kafka, Chef, Bob, Paigow, etc.

Miss me?

Brit's been MIA, and Plated retired, but most of the rest of the misanthropes are kicking around here.

not7yS

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Holyfield is a washed up, brain-washed (playing gospel on the way in the ring? way to kill the fight night electricity), raggedy eared loser. A shell of his former self. He will have to be beyond lucky to connect with Jones on more than 10% of his punches. And when he does connect, it'll be a glancing blow thrown between fists of flurry as Jones lights him up.

Jones is a bad ass. He's been the best fighter in the world since Tyson got sent up the river. That "dancing around the ring" is called boxing. He is amazing.

I went to one of his fights like 5 years ago and I've never seen anyone move so fast in my life. When he was done toying with his opponent, he slipped a punch and knocked the guy out with a cross before the guy had a chance to pull his arm back to his body from the punch he just threw. Ridiculous. If you want to see him go toe to toe with Evander or anyone else, why don't you just get the pay-per-view Tough Guy Fighting Championship?

Thurgreed(I bet you just love Butterbean)Marshall

TM,

First, I did buy the Butterbean v. Holmes fight... and I regretted it. In fact, I feel kind of dirty for admitting it here. However, even with that inexcusable indiscretion, I can pronounce I have never been a Butterbean fan.

I fucking loved Tyson in his prime. I loved watching "boxers" cry that he was bad for the sport - that a flat footed wrecking machine who only intended to bludgeon opponents was not real boxing. After the absolutely pathetic reign of Holmes, Tyson was a refreshing kick in the nads that boxing needed. Yes, I like brawlers more than boxers. I want to see the big guy clock the piss out of the little shit throing combinations and ducking out of the way. Hell, that's why we all love the heavyweights. If we wanted to see fast little badasses twsit their way out of getting pummelled, we'd watch college or olympic wrestling.

I like watching Roy Jones because yes, his speed is simply amazing. However, his claim that his speed and ability can outmatch the brute force of any half decent heavyweight is fucking fluff. Ruiz was a cadaver. Put Jones in the ring with a real heavyweight and let him take a square upper cut to the chin and see where he lands. My guess is he'll never let that be an option, and that's a shame. You're right - a Holyfield fight will be another $39.99 I'll waste on pay per view in a drunken haze. But I just can't resist the possibility of seeing anyone punch Jones' ticket.

S(I've always thought a forward handing out a strong elbow to the mouth was always more interesting than an awesome ball handler... I guess its just a question of whether you like watching skill or sheer force)D

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[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Hell, that's why we all love the heavyweights.

I'm sure I do not represent the average boxing fan, and my knowledge is lacking, but I find heavyweight boxing these days kind of tedious to watch. I think the lighter fighters throw more punches and actually box more instead of just tracking each other around the ring and throwing the odd punch. Also, after Holyfield-Lewis I, it's hard not to think that the judges are so corrupt it's a bit of a joke, really.

Heavyweight boxing in the past seemed to be much more exciting - Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc. Maybe it is just me.

Although one of these days I would like to go to a fight. I think boxing must be very fun to watch live in person.

[SlaveNoMore]

greatwhitenorthchick
I think the lighter fighters throw more punches and actually box more instead of just tracking each other around the ring and throwing the odd punch...

Heavyweight boxing in the past seemed to be much more exciting - Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc. Maybe it is just me.

Those three fighters were middleweights, dear.

Stick to hockey. And curling.

not7yS

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
S(I've always thought a forward handing out a strong elbow to the mouth was always more interesting than an awesome ball handler... I guess its just a question of whether you like watching skill or sheer force)D

The best boxers have both skill and brute force. Ali, for example. Watch the documentary "When We Were Kings" to see what I am talking about. In the 1974 "Rumble in the Jungle" match in Zaire, Ali out-boxes *and* out-slugs George Foreman (the real George Foreman -- not the affable salesman we see on TV today, but a brawler who brutally crushed Joe Frazier the year before).

Ali was quite simply the best heavyweight of the best generation of heavyweights ever. He fought and beat some real champions. Patterson. Liston. Frazier. Foreman. Norton. We were spoiled. There were so many amazing heavyweights back in the 60s and 70s.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick


Heavyweight boxing in the past seemed to be much more exciting - Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc

They were exciting because they weren't heavyweights. Middleweights, mostly.

Just hang around ESPN classic for a bit, and you're bound to see Hagler-Hearns, perhaps the best three rounds of boxing ever.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I fucking loved Tyson in his prime. I loved watching "boxers" cry that he was bad for the sport - that a flat footed wrecking machine who only intended to bludgeon opponents was not real boxing. After the absolutely pathetic reign of Holmes, Tyson was a refreshing kick in the nads that boxing needed. Yes, I like brawlers more than boxers.

Tyson, in his prime, was not a brawler. He was a boxer. Unbelievably powerful, yes. But he had great boxing skill. That's what made him so dangerous. He stayed low, bobbed and weaved while coming at you. What made him so dangerous was his ability to move his head and counter punch from a bunch of different angles (with that devastating uppercut and cross). He wasn't an Ali-type boxer. His style was different, but he was still a boxer.

The problem with him since he lost Cus is that he is now a brawler. He doesn't move his head. He's not nearly as quick. And he's constantly looking for a one-punch win. When he was in his prime, he wasn't looking for a knockout punch. He was looking to kill you. To make you drop your hands to your ribs because they were broken -- and then he would take your fucking head off. Artistry.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I like watching Roy Jones because yes, his speed is simply amazing. However, his claim that his speed and ability can outmatch the brute force of any half decent heavyweight is fucking fluff.

If Roy Jones, Jr. had a Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler or Tommy Hearns, you wouldn't be talking so much shit. He makes it look too easy now because he has no comp. Some of the greatest fights were among the other-than-heavy-weight class fighters. He has to fight heavy weights because (1) he has no competition in his own class and thus no pay day and (2) people like you (read: paying customers) don't appreciate actual boxing anymore. But if he carves up Evander and doesn't get touched, will that be a win in your eyes? Who does he have to beat and how for you to think he has done something?

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've always thought a forward handing out a strong elbow to the mouth was always more interesting than an awesome ball handler... I guess its just a question of whether you like watching skill or sheer force

Yeah. Shaq is much more fun to watch than Jordan or Kobe.

Thurgreed(you're a strange dude, SD)Marshall