A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Didn't take long for the moonbat Left to start trying to steal votes:

I'm trying to figure out why my (republican) county government decided to change at the last minute the location of my (mostly democrat) precinct's voting location from it's normal location in the (overwhelmingly democrat) retirement community to the library half a mile a way.

I'm sure there was a good reason.

But it doesn't change the fact that I had to spend an extra 15 minutes figuring out where to go this morning and then - worse - listen in line to a gaggle (a pod?) of seniors bitch about having to go out in the cold to vote.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by nononono
So you think we should have been able to go in and get out of Iraq in 1/50th of the time it took to get out of Berlin, and 1/infinity (so far) of the time it's taken us to get out of everywhere else? The only place we got in and out of that quickly was Haiti, and how's that going?

You say it was the neocons who were naive about the process of total reconfiguration not only of a government and a country, but also the famous "hearts and minds," but now it's your arguments that suggest we've somehow failed by virtue of still being there. So, which is it: our plan was poorly thought-out and/or not executed effectively, or it was wrong to try to facilitate what we did?

I was opposed to going into Iraq; once in, however, it must be done right. Bush provided inadequate forces and supplies and inadequate support for the Iraqi economy to recover, and had no plan for how to deal with millenia old ethnic conflicts; his choice of advocating a continued centralized federal government for the country comes with a significant cost, for us and the Iraqis, and he has failed to manage the situation effectively. Much of this comes from their attempts to apply half-backed theories like the Rumsfeld Doctrine (remember that one?)

Our plan was poorly though-out and not effectuated effectively. In addition, the choice to go in has distracted us from critical battles against terrorists, including in Afghanistan. The lack of clear domestic alliances, like the Northern Alliance, to build on resulted in the lebanization of the Iraqi constitution - and we know how Lebanon turned out.

So, yes, the bright guys down in DC, Wolfy, Rummy, Chenny and Bush, got us into this in a half-assed fashion and have run it in a half-assed fashion.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by nononono
I didn't create the analogy. Someone suggested that the Marshall Plan was better than what we are doing in Iraq, as evidenced by the fact that we were out very quickly. The points have been made that a) we weren't out quickly and b) expecting one to behave like the other in any event is unrealistic. Germany was an easier place to be, and yet we remain there for a variety of reasons. Is it not possible that there are a variety of reasons for us still to be in Iraq?

It all comes from Slave's comment that we would have been better off without Normandy. Let's go back to ignoring Slave.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Anyone still ready to defend the Rumsfeld Doctrine?

Rummy used less than 100,000 troops in the invasion of Iraq; the Pentagon projected 400,000, mainly based on peace-keeping needs (e.g., securing ammo depots in the short term, preventing the establishment of militia in the media term, plain old fashion police work over the longer term).

Is there anyone out there who thinks, with 20/20 hindsight, that Rummy made the right choice.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
we don't want an analogy. GGG did, and now you're all back pedelling. Not Bob, a sock is known by the company he keeps. You are thoguht of as far better than this lot- piece of advice? don't be seen as GGG's toady.

Who is back-pedaling? You seriously want to compare my father in law's stint in Munich 1949 to my nephew's stint in Fallujah 2005?

Shoot, I have no idea how this started. At any rate, arguing with nono makes my head hurt. I still can't believe that I let a waitress come between us.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Who is back-pedaling? You seriously want to compare my father in law's stint in Munich 1949 to my nephew's stint in Fallujah 2005?

Shoot, I have no idea how this started. At any rate, arguing with nono makes my head hurt. I still can't believe that I let a waitress come between us.

how about my FIL at the Battle of the Bulge? since we're changing factors, can I change too?

[nononono]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
how about my FIL at the Battle of the Bulge? since we're changing factors, can I change too?

Now stop it or I'm talking about my great-grandfather at Gettysburg.

[Gattigap]

Hey, if anyone's around in Sacramento tonight, free drinks on Phil!

• YOU FEEL LIKE a pretty big dork when you're at a political celebration. You really begin to question your career choice when you load up at the bar, scout for hookups and suddenly think: Do rock star parties have podiums? That's when you realize that even if you made it to the coolest clique — the Paris Hilton level of politics — you'd be spending most of the evening avoiding being asked to dance by Karl Rove.
  
  The lameness of election night parties is especially obvious in California, where you're in close proximity to movie premieres, the Playboy Mansion and Shane Black's house.
  
  Tonight may host the saddest party of all time. At 8 p.m. in the 10,000-square-foot Grand Nave Room at the Sheraton Grand Hotel in Sacramento, Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides will be hosting his victory party. If you're the kind of person who likes the crudite tray all to yourself, it might be worth driving up there. I wouldn't worry too much about not being on the invite list. There isn't one.
  
  Because people don't want to vote for a loser, politicians with absolutely no chance maintain false optimism right up until the concession speech. So Angelides has had to spend lots of money throwing a huge victory party even though he's been 18 points behind in the polls. He knows no one is going to stay past 8:15, but he can't risk telling the hotel that appetizer hour should really be appetizer quarter-hour. So the bar will be open until midnight — and they're prepared to go longer if necessary.

Gattigap

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by nononono
Now stop it or I'm talking about my great-grandfather at Gettysburg.

Was he with the slavers or the freedom fighters?

Cause my great father, kilts and all (hi Penske!), whipped a lot of Slaver ass (hi Shifter!).

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Let's change "post to..." to "wade into" to preserve all the melifluosity of ncs' prose. Many thanks.

I'm a winner! And the day before election day, no less.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Was he with the slavers or the freedom fighters?

Cause my great father, kilts and all (hi Penske!), whipped a lot of Slaver ass (hi Shifter!).

Some might at one time have argued that those are one in the same.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
how about my FIL at the Battle of the Bulge? since we're changing factors, can I change too?

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously?

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by nononono
Some might at one time have argued that those are one in the same.

Some truths are self-evident, my dear. And our boys are once again putting in their place these god-less heathens.

Got to say, though, I do believe some of our, uh, more peculiar institutions are still alive among our Allies in the Kingdom. And those Saud boys do a fine job of protecting their women and keeping them at home where they belong. And, after all, that is what we are really protecting, isn't it.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously?

Forget it. He's rolling.

etat -- t.s. -- spree: sound

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Didn't take long for the moonbat Left to start trying to steal votes:

I wasn't going to mention the Republican-funded robocalling that sounded like they were from Dem candidates and kept calling and calling back if you tried to hang up on them. Classy stuff. And funded nationally, not just in a couple of precincts in Philadelphia.