Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Could someone post a link to this form we are all supposed to fill out? I think everyone I know is well aware that I'm pro-death under pretty much all circumstances, but . . .

Depends on the state. Go to your state's Medical Society (Texas's information is here) and look up "Directive" or "Natural Death Act") I'm putting together a list of resources for another site, so if you need information on your state, let me know and I'll probably have it in about an hour.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Tax cuts.

True. You got there before I could edit my post.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Could someone post a link to this form we are all supposed to fill out? I think everyone I know is well aware that I'm pro-death under pretty much all circumstances, but . . .

We should create a new thread - under the Fashion Board, since it appears to be dead today. (Ba dum bum.)

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by viet_mom
I respect that the courts have examined the Schiavo issue but this situation is unusual. First, we may have some flawed legislation on the guardianship issue. Maybe. But we definitely have major issues here: the hubby is essentially remarried and is in essence, the only true testifier of what the wife's wishes would be, Teri Schiavo is only on a feeding tube and most people who say "I don't want to be kept alive by machines/artificially" are thinking breathing/heart machines and Karen Quinlan; most people in the "unplug the machine" situation are comatose whereas this lady is awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them. In my mind, definitely worth more attention especially since Teri does not appear to be suffering pain (except when she is denied water in the middle of the latest pissing matches between Repubs and Dems).

So 11 courts reviewing didn't give enough attention to the issue?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Could someone post a link to this form we are all supposed to fill out? I think everyone I know is well aware that I'm pro-death under pretty much all circumstances, but . . .

Including the present circumstances, no doubt. I suspect Hank would agree.

If you search "healthcare proxy" and your state, several will pop up. Please note that if there are questions about your mental competance, you may need to have a guardian sign for you.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by viet_mom
I respect that the courts have examined the Schiavo issue but this situation is unusual. First, we may have some flawed legislation on the guardianship issue. Maybe. But we definitely have major issues here: the hubby is essentially remarried and is in essence, the only true testifier of what the wife's wishes would be, Teri Schiavo is only on a feeding tube and most people who say "I don't want to be kept alive by machines/artificially" are thinking breathing/heart machines and Karen Quinlan; most people in the "unplug the machine" situation are comatose whereas this lady is awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them. In my mind, definitely worth more attention especially since Teri does not appear to be suffering pain (except when she is denied water in the middle of the latest pissing matches between Repubs and Dems).

On another note, I read somewhere that a "tycoon" (I'd love for someone to define that for me. Barring that, I'd like to be one) offered a boatload of money to the husband to hand over guardianship to the wife's parents. If that is true, the financial motive for wanting the tube out seems flimsy.

Even flimsier when you realize, as was pointed out earlier, that most of the money has gone to the hubby's lawyers. He won't see very much.

As for Ms. Schiavo being "awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them", we went over this last week. The consensus among doctors in the field, including those who have examined her, is that these are at best autonomic reflexes and that her cerebral cortex is gone. For all intensive purposes, she is brain dead and there is no hope of recovery.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by viet_mom
I respect that the courts have examined the Schiavo issue but this situation is unusual. First, we may have some flawed legislation on the guardianship issue. Maybe. But we definitely have major issues here: the hubby is essentially remarried and is in essence, the only true testifier of what the wife's wishes would be, Teri Schiavo is only on a feeding tube and most people who say "I don't want to be kept alive by machines/artificially" are thinking breathing/heart machines and Karen Quinlan; most people in the "unplug the machine" situation are comatose whereas this lady is awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them. In my mind, definitely worth more attention especially since Teri does not appear to be suffering pain (except when she is denied water in the middle of the latest pissing matches between Repubs and Dems).

Her "eyes light up"? WTF are you ON? How can you tell that she is suffering pain when denied water? Have you watched unedited videotapes?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by viet_mom
I respect that the courts have examined the Schiavo issue but this situation is unusual. First, we may have some flawed legislation on the guardianship issue. Maybe. But we definitely have major issues here: the hubby is essentially remarried and is in essence, the only true testifier of what the wife's wishes would be, Teri Schiavo is only on a feeding tube and most people who say "I don't want to be kept alive by machines/artificially" are thinking breathing/heart machines and Karen Quinlan; most people in the "unplug the machine" situation are comatose whereas this lady is awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them. In my mind, definitely worth more attention especially since Teri does not appear to be suffering pain (except when she is denied water in the middle of the latest pissing matches between Repubs and Dems).

On another note, I read somewhere that a "tycoon" (I'd love for someone to define that for me. Barring that, I'd like to be one) offered a boatload of money to the husband to hand over guardianship to the wife's parents. If that is true, the financial motive for wanting the tube out seems flimsy.

I thought this discussion was started over at Lawyers With Kids, so I replied to your query there, but I'll cross post b/c this seems like a better forum for the discussion. Here's a good summary of the case to date. It includes links to the court holdings so far, in case you want to read up on the exact findings by the courts.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

I think her husband has carried the fight for guardianship on out of an honest belief that this is what she would have wanted. That takes a lot of courage when there are people out there ready to vilify him for his own personal life and his beliefs. He's lived a long time with this.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Certainly more important than principle. Other than a strong national defense*, one wonders just what the Republican Party stands for these days.

What it stands for and what the sheep think it stands for just shows how dumb the sheep are. The blind followers, also known as Slave, are the people who drive me nuts. At least Bilmore is capable of being objective. Many of these sheep are highly intelligent people who refuse to look objectively. They first look to liberal opposition of the issue before analyzing the actual issue. My dead grandfather, founding father of his town's Republican Party, would be embarrassed at the direction current "Republicans" are taking this country.



Vote Libertarian!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Including the present circumstances, no doubt. I suspect Hank would agree.

If you search "healthcare proxy" and your state, several will pop up. Please note that if there are questions about your mental competance, you may need to have a guardian sign for you.

Geez, this is way fucking harder than people keep saying. And I have to pay for it??? Christ, what a pita.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Right.

I was agreeing with GiGi, and expressing amazement that this continuing and apparent process has resulted in an R presidency, along with control of both houses.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Christ, what a pita.

Was this intentional? B/c it's a great saying.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
What it stands for and what the sheep think it stands for just shows how dumb the sheep are. The blind followers, also known as Slave, are the people who drive me nuts. At least Bilmore is capable of being objective. Many of these sheep are highly intelligent people who refuse to look objectively. They first look to liberal opposition of the issue before analyzing the actual issue. My dead grandfather, founding father of his town's Republican Party, would be embarrassed at the direction current "Republicans" are taking this country.



Vote Libertarian!

mmmm sheep......

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by viet_mom
I respect that the courts have examined the Schiavo issue but this situation is unusual. First, we may have some flawed legislation on the guardianship issue. Maybe.

I am curious about your reasoning. Why flawed? Who should be the presumptive medical guardian of a married adult living outside the home? I haven't taken a poll, but I suspect that most married folks would want/expect their spouses to be in that role.

Originally posted by viet_mom
But we definitely have major issues here: the hubby is essentially remarried and is in essence, the only true testifier of what the wife's wishes would be . . .

Does it affect the analysis that he began the new relationship ("abandoned his marriage" as stated in the pleading Burger linked) more than _five years_ after his wife entered the "persistent vegetative state"? That he first began to dispute her treatment with her parents more than _three years_ after his wife entered that persistent vegetative state?

How long must he sit by the bedside and mourn?

Originally posted by viet_mom
Teri Schiavo is only on a feeding tube and most people who say "I don't want to be kept alive by machines/artificially" are thinking breathing/heart machines and Karen Quinlan; most people in the "unplug the machine" situation are comatose whereas this lady is awake, smiling at her parents and her eyes light up when she sees them.

So her parents say. But -- its been just over _fifteen_ years, and they're still saying that the miracle will bring her back. The pleading also complains that the husband denied their efforts to wheel Terri into church for Mass. [They also complain that he wants to cremate her rather than bury her ("in violation of her religion"). Baloney -- Catholics are frequently cremated.)

Also -- they aren't sliding cheeseburgers and milkshakes down that tube. Keeping someone alive via artificial nutrition and hydration requires sophisticated monitoring and maintenance. it is not trivial.

Originally posted by viet_mom
On another note, I read somewhere that a "tycoon" (I'd love for someone to define that for me. Barring that, I'd like to be one) offered a boatload of money to the husband to hand over guardianship to the wife's parents. If that is true, the financial motive for wanting the tube out seems flimsy.

The figure in the news reports was $ 1 million. Some loony rich Briton.

S_A_M

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Geez, this is way fucking harder than people keep saying. And I have to pay for it??? Christ, what a pita.

"Pita"?

I could send you our Health Care Durable Power of Attorney form, but they'd have to ship you to Minnesota before unplugging you, I think.