Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
Hey! Lo-berry said Shifter was the stupidest. Stand down Wonk!

Dissent. I've always thought it should be up to Taxwonk and Ty to pick dumbest, like how the senior cheerleaders get to pick the freshman coming onto squad.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The photographer who took one of the photo's in Klein's book says Klein is misrepresenting it.

[Valentine]

Much like the body-count reporting during the U.S. war against Vietnam, U.S. officers make a rough estimate of the dead Iraqis and count everyone killed, even children, as an enemy combatant. To guess at the real progress of the battle in Iraq, it is perhaps more helpful to see the reaction of the ruling politicians in Washington and their pundits. For example, very recently, Vice President & de-facto president Dick Cheney claimed that the United States and its Iraqi forces were winning the war and that the "insurgency was in its last throes." Cheney is one of the chief architects of the war on Iraq, but this comment sounded to me as if Bush's puppeteer had remained in the bunker he fled to on Sept. 11, 2001, and missed the entire unfolding reality of the Iraq occupation. Completely missed it.

Just in the last month many hundreds of Iraqi puppet troops and police have been killed all over Iraq. Also since then, Bush's support in U.S. polls has dropped significantly. Regarding Iraq, it's now at 37 percent in the CBS-New York Times poll. Bush himself has avoided making that same bold claim. He has confined himself to pledging that the United States will "stay the course" in Iraq, whatever the sacrifices. "More and more Iraqis are becoming battle-hardened and trained to defend themselves," Bush said.

Bush probably means to apply this comment to the puppet troops. Most intelligent observers will apply it more accurately to the resistance forces. Another champion of "staying the course" is that elite chief flack of globalization, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. On June 15, he looked at the disaster for U.S. imperialism occurring in Iraq and suggested that the Pentagon "double the American boots on the ground."

Doubling the number of boots implies doubling the number of young people to fill those boots. The Times Op-Ed columnist doesn't explain how this will be accomplished when recruiters are having nervous breakdowns trying to meet their quotas, which they fail to do. For Friedman, nothing could be worse for the U.S. empire's fortunes than to be driven from Iraq by the Iraqi people in arms.

Despite the enormous problems the Iraq occupation is causing U.S. imperialism, ruling-class opinion agrees with Friedman. Not just Bush and the Republican leadership, either. The Democratic Party national leadership has refused to confront Bush on the war.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Valentine
Much like the body-count reporting during the U.S. war against Vietnam, U.S. officers make a rough estimate of the dead Iraqis and count everyone killed, even children, as an enemy combatant. To guess at the real progress of the battle in Iraq, it is perhaps more helpful to see the reaction of the ruling politicians in Washington and their pundits. For example, very recently, Vice President & de-facto president Dick Cheney claimed that the United States and its Iraqi forces were winning the war and that the "insurgency was in its last throes." Cheney is one of the chief architects of the war on Iraq, but this comment sounded to me as if Bush's puppeteer had remained in the bunker he fled to on Sept. 11, 2001, and missed the entire unfolding reality of the Iraq occupation. Completely missed it.

Just in the last month many hundreds of Iraqi puppet troops and police have been killed all over Iraq. Also since then, Bush's support in U.S. polls has dropped significantly. Regarding Iraq, it's now at 37 percent in the CBS-New York Times poll. Bush himself has avoided making that same bold claim. He has confined himself to pledging that the United States will "stay the course" in Iraq, whatever the sacrifices. "More and more Iraqis are becoming battle-hardened and trained to defend themselves," Bush said.

Bush probably means to apply this comment to the puppet troops. Most intelligent observers will apply it more accurately to the resistance forces. Another champion of "staying the course" is that elite chief flack of globalization, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. On June 15, he looked at the disaster for U.S. imperialism occurring in Iraq and suggested that the Pentagon "double the American boots on the ground."

Doubling the number of boots implies doubling the number of young people to fill those boots. The Times Op-Ed columnist doesn't explain how this will be accomplished when recruiters are having nervous breakdowns trying to meet their quotas, which they fail to do. For Friedman, nothing could be worse for the U.S. empire's fortunes than to be driven from Iraq by the Iraqi people in arms.

Despite the enormous problems the Iraq occupation is causing U.S. imperialism, ruling-class opinion agrees with Friedman. Not just Bush and the Republican leadership, either. The Democratic Party national leadership has refused to confront Bush on the war.

What's your plan?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
I just watch a few minutes (as long as it takes) of Nancy Grace every night (you don't remember my cheese grits sock?).

NTTAWWT.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
Given the form over substance doctrine of moral relavity that the Dems want practiced, when are Clinton and Reno going to apologize for their crimes against the Branch Davidians? Certainly bar-b-queing 50 plus women and children who were just trying to practise their own version of a religion of peace and tolerance is almost as bad as an inadvertant splash of urine on a government owned Koran.

Or is a Mohammed a more defensible drunken pedophile than Koresh?

I hate it when people in my party bring up this stuff. Defending the Branch Davidians is like defending Saddam Hussein. They had broken the law and there were allegations of child molesting. They were served a valid warrant and refused to let the federal marshalls in. You need to enforce the law and that is what Janet Reno was doing. If those idiots torched themselves because they would not follow the law it is their fault. Blaming Janet Reno and Clinton for the Branch Dravidian deaths is like blaming Bush and Cheney for the deaths caused by the insurgents. If they had followed the law, Janet Reno would not have been forced to give the go order. Just the same if Saddam had allowed the inspectors in. The President main job is to enforce the law. They didn't mess around and showed that you need to follow the law. As conservative Republicans we should applaud Janets no nonesense approach to those bozos.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Just the same if Saddam had allowed the inspectors in.

Actually, he did let the inspectors in, and they didn't find that they expected to. (Read Hans Blix's book, or one of my posts where I linked to a review of it.)

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The photographer who took one of the photo's in Klein's book says Klein is misrepresenting it.

[epiphany]Holy shit! You are have convinced me.[/epiphany] Obviously Bill has changed his ways and this proves it. I am sure he is faithful in his marriage now. Hillary will almost certainly be the family values candidate of the next election. She will do her handlers in RedChina proud.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
NTTAWWT.

Uh, on "things in your ass" I was only "gay vague" (?)

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Spanky
I hate it when people in my party bring up this stuff. Defending the Branch Davidians is like defending Saddam Hussein. They had broken the law and there were allegations of child molesting. They were served a valid warrant and refused to let the federal marshalls in. You need to enforce the law and that is what Janet Reno was doing. If those idiots torched themselves because they would not follow the law it is their fault. Blaming Janet Reno and Clinton for the Branch Dravidian deaths is like blaming Bush and Cheney for the deaths caused by the insurgents. If they had followed the law, Janet Reno would not have been forced to give the go order. Just the same if Saddam had allowed the inspectors in. The President main job is to enforce the law. They didn't mess around and showed that you need to follow the law. As conservative Republicans we should applaud Janets no nonesense approach to those bozos.

1. You are no fun to goof on.

2. Notwithstanding that I agree with most of your post, I do think that the ATF and Reno could have done more to ensure that integrity of the kids' continued existence. Let's face it, anything else could not have been much worse. Then again, maybe it does take a village.

3. Notwithstanding #1, phottoshoppe isthe Republican Party's friend on the internet .

4. Elian, Elian, Elian.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
The photographer who took one of the photo's in Klein's book says Klein is misrepresenting it.

This photo was neutral on its face.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
1. You are no fun to goof on.
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People keep telling me that

Originally posted by Iron Steve 2. Notwithstanding that I agree with most of your post, I do think that the ATF and Reno could have done more to ensure that integrity of the kids' continued existence. Let's face it, anything else could not have been much worse. Then again, maybe it does take a village.[/IMG]

The second an officer was down they should have gone in. You have to show the world that killing law enforcement is not acceptible. The more you hang out and paralysed you act the more you encourage people to do this stuff, which in the long run kills more kids.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Spanky
People keep telling me that



The second an officer was down they should have gone in. You have to show the world that killing law enforcement is not acceptible. The more you hang out and paralysed you act the more you encourage people to do this stuff, which in the long run kills more kids.

Possibly. To be honest I don't remember the timeline, but all the cyberchatter on the worldwideweb does nothing to liberate poor young Elian from the shackles of communist oppression courtesy of ShakeN'Bake and Bubba.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
This photo was neutral on its face.

As is this one (but damn, this guy has no self-control):

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
As is this one (but damn, this guy has no self-control):

Does Web Hubbell know his daughter is seeing an older man?