Still Hating America.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Brilliant! Nicely done.

thanks.

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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
thanks.

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Your scorekeeping includes self-parody? That explains those totals.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your scorekeeping includes self-parody? That explains those totals.

you can't win unless someone agrees with you..... Oh. I mean someone capable of independant thought.

Maybe you can cite to something to support you?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

According to this test from the Pew Center, I'm a liberal. Who knew?

This quiz seems maybe better than many, although a few of the questions seemed to pair two propositions I found equally unreasonable. In those situations, I picked the side that I thought people I'm generally sympathetic with are supposed to favor.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you can't win unless someone agrees with you..... Oh. I mean someone capable of independant thought.

Maybe you can cite to something to support you?

I certainly support your efforts at self-parody. I thought your post was very funny.

And Sidd didn't tell me to post that.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to this test from the Pew Center, I'm a liberal. Who knew?

This quiz seems maybe better than many, although a few of the questions seemed to pair two propositions I found equally unreasonable. In those situations, I picked the side that I thought people I'm generally sympathetic with are supposed to favor.

Upbeat

Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Upbeat typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Upbeats represent 11 percent of the American public, and 13 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
Upbeats express positive views about the economy, government and society. Satisfied with their own financial situation and the direction the nation is heading, these voters support George W. Bush’s leadership in economic matters more than on social or foreign policy issues. Combining highly favorable views of government with equally positive views of business and the marketplace, Upbeats believe that success is in people’s own hands, and that businesses make a positive contribution to society. This group also has a very favorable view of immigrants.

Defining Values
Very favorable views of government performance and responsiveness defines the group, along with similarly positive outlook on the role of business in society. While most support the war in Iraq, Upbeats have mixed views on foreign policy – but most favor preemptive military action against countries that threaten the U.S. Religious, but decidedly moderate in views about social and cultural issues.

Who They Are
Relatively young (26% are under 30) and well-educated, Upbeats are the second wealthiest group after Enterprisers (39% have household incomes of $75,000 or more). The highest proportion of Catholics (30%) and white mainline Protestants (28%) of all groups, although fewer than half (46%) attend church weekly. Mostly white (87%), suburban, and married, they are evenly split between men and women.

Lifestyle Notes
High rate of stock ownership (42%, 2nd after Enterprisers).

2004 Election
Bush 63%, Kerry 14%.

Party ID
56% Independent/No Preference, 39% Republican, 5% Democrat (73% Rep/LeanRep)

Media Use
Upbeats are second only to Liberals in citing the internet as their main news source (34% compared with 23% nationwide); 46% also cite newspapers. No more or less engaged in politics than the national average.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I certainly support your efforts at self-parody. I thought your post was very funny.

And Sidd didn't tell me to post that.

QED.

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[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to this test from the Pew Center, I'm a liberal. Who knew?

This quiz seems maybe better than many, although a few of the questions seemed to pair two propositions I found equally unreasonable. In those situations, I picked the side that I thought people I'm generally sympathetic with are supposed to favor.

By the description below, this is pretty damn close to the mark, although, like Ty, I had to answer a few questions with the "right"er answer because neither was a great fit:

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Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.

Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.

(slave: this is where the lack of libertarian-type questions reveals itself. Socially conservative? Hardly)

Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.

Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.

2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)

Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)

Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Upbeat

Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Upbeat typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Upbeats represent 11 percent of the American public, and 13 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
Upbeats express positive views about the economy, government and society. Satisfied with their own financial situation and the direction the nation is heading, these voters support George W. Bush’s leadership in economic matters more than on social or foreign policy issues. Combining highly favorable views of government with equally positive views of business and the marketplace, Upbeats believe that success is in people’s own hands, and that businesses make a positive contribution to society. This group also has a very favorable view of immigrants.

Defining Values
Very favorable views of government performance and responsiveness defines the group, along with similarly positive outlook on the role of business in society. While most support the war in Iraq, Upbeats have mixed views on foreign policy – but most favor preemptive military action against countries that threaten the U.S. Religious, but decidedly moderate in views about social and cultural issues.

Who They Are
Relatively young (26% are under 30) and well-educated, Upbeats are the second wealthiest group after Enterprisers (39% have household incomes of $75,000 or more). The highest proportion of Catholics (30%) and white mainline Protestants (28%) of all groups, although fewer than half (46%) attend church weekly. Mostly white (87%), suburban, and married, they are evenly split between men and women.

Lifestyle Notes
High rate of stock ownership (42%, 2nd after Enterprisers).

2004 Election
Bush 63%, Kerry 14%.

Party ID
56% Independent/No Preference, 39% Republican, 5% Democrat (73% Rep/LeanRep)

Media Use
Upbeats are second only to Liberals in citing the internet as their main news source (34% compared with 23% nationwide); 46% also cite newspapers. No more or less engaged in politics than the national average.

What happens when matter and antimatter collide? I went back and retook the test, changing a few of the answers that bugged me the most, and it told me I was an Upbeat.

[Adder]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As you well know, I loathe this pack of waterheads we have running the country who run around calling themselves Republicans.

I generally want the same thing you do - sensible, pragmatic people in charge. The differences we have on whether those people should lean a little left or a little right are minor and I can appreciate yours and you can appreciate mine.

Unfortunately, moderates don't have jack shit in the way of clout these days, so I'm stuck where I surmise I'll be for the rest of my life politically - angry, with no constructive avenue for my venom.

As long as good people can't get elected because of absurd litmus tests from idiot single issue voters, we're fucked. Some professor explained why our multiple candidate system screws 70% of voters every time back in the 60s. I'll find it and post a link. It'll make you have one drink more than you might usually...

In contrast, I have been reading recently about the type of democracy that flurished in between-war Europe, one critique of which is that proportionate representation led to a lack of mandate and direction. The implication being the democracy is more stable in a winner-take-all system like ours in that the system itself creates the consensus that allows action.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to this test from the Pew Center, I'm a liberal. Who knew?

This quiz seems maybe better than many, although a few of the questions seemed to pair two propositions I found equally unreasonable. In those situations, I picked the side that I thought people I'm generally sympathetic with are supposed to favor.

These tests are bullshit, but here here goes:

Enterpriser

Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.

Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.

Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.

Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.

2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)

Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)

Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What happens when matter and antimatter collide? I went back and retook the test, changing a few of the answers that bugged me the most, and it told me I was an Upbeat.

I'm upbeat too. I think it just means we make enough money.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to this test from the Pew Center, I'm a liberal. Who knew?

This quiz seems maybe better than many, although a few of the questions seemed to pair two propositions I found equally unreasonable. In those situations, I picked the side that I thought people I'm generally sympathetic with are supposed to favor.

Liberal. Shocking.

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
By the description below, this is pretty damn close to the mark, although, like Ty, I had to answer a few questions with the "right"er answer because neither was a great fit:

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Based on your answers to the questionnaire, you most closely resemble survey respondents within the Enterpriser typology group. This does not mean that you necessarily fit every group characteristic or agree with the group on all issues.

Enterprisers represent 9 percent of the American public, and 10 percent of registered voters.

Basic Description
As in previous studies conducted in 1987, 1994 and 1999, this extremely partisan Republican group’s politics are driven by a belief in the free enterprise system and social values that reflect a conservative agenda. Enterprisers are also the strongest backers of an assertive foreign policy, which includes nearly unanimous support for the war in Iraq and strong support for such anti-terrorism efforts as the Patriot Act.

Defining Values
Assertive on foreign policy and patriotic; anti-regulation and pro-business; very little support for government help to the poor; strong belief that individuals are responsible for their own well being. Conservative on social issues such as gay marriage, but not much more religious than the nation as a whole. Very satisfied with personal financial situation.

(slave: this is where the lack of libertarian-type questions reveals itself. Socially conservative? Hardly)

Who They Are
Predominantly white (91%), male (76%) and financially well-off (62% have household incomes of at least $50,000, compared with 40% nationwide). Nearly half (46%) have a college degree, and 77% are married. Nearly a quarter (23%) are themselves military veterans. Only 10% are under age 30.

Lifestyle Notes
59% report having a gun in their homes; 53% trade stocks and bonds in the stock market, and 30% are small business owners – all of which are the highest percentages among typology groups. 48% attend church weekly; 36% attend bible study or prayer group meetings.

2004 Election
Bush 92%, Kerry 1%. Bush’s most reliable supporters (just 4% of Enterprisers did not vote)

Party ID
81% Republican, 18% Independent/No Preference, 1% Democrat (98% Rep/LeanRep)

Media Use
Enterprisers follow news about government and politics more closely than any other group, and exhibit the most knowledge about world affairs. The Fox News Channel is their primary source of news (46% cite it as a main source) followed by newspapers (42%) radio (31%) and the internet (26%).

Translation: I am a rich white male and I am going to kick your ass.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Adder
Translation: I am a rich white male and I am going to kick your ass.

Translation: I am a middle class white male who wants less interference in my life.

I have to hire some twit to do my fucking taxes. That involves me dealing with shit. I am going to die sooner than most people and don't want to waste my fucking time dicking around with Uncle Sam's horseshit. I'm not rich; it's about time and wanting to be left alone. I'm not my brother's keeper because he never kept me. I wish him luck, and I hope he does well. If I have something to give him I will. I honestly don't give a fuck about money. But godamnit, I'd rather burn a $5 bill than turn it over to some shrill liberal asshole who's got the nerve to tell me I don't "care enough" for my fellow man, or poison th enivironment. Those assholes can preach elsewhere. I've only got so many hours. I can't be bothered.

And to make matters worse, I now have to deal with the govt all the time in business matters. Trying to wring a decision out of these fucking people is like squeezing juice from raisins.

Rich? I wish. Then I could build a big fucking wall around my house and, like Joe Walsh sang, "Have accountants pay for it all," as opposed to filling out fucking forms written by goddamned bureaucrats for me.

I love people, but man do I hate it when they get together, get high on mob self-righteousness and start telling me what to do.

If you think I'm crazy, ask yourself why Americans feel its morally acceptable to cheat on their taxes.