Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

Help me out here, bc my parents did me the favor of raising the princesses to not follow organzied religion, though I did take comparative religions one oh one in college but I dont think this was covered. Mary's mother was named Anne? And Anne also got pregnant without sex. But not by the big G? Who would thus also be Jesus's grandpaw as well as his paw (this is starting to sound very Springer with the incest and the half brothers and sisters crawling out of the woodwork so to speak)? How did Anne get pregnant without sex , do the catholics propose? And couldnt "brother" have been meant in the same sense that the african american community uses the term today?


EDIT: I just reread AGs post which says Anne did it in the susal way but wo original sin. WHat the hell does that mean? Is this some post hoc, have your cake and eat it too thing? What is original sin anyway?

I didnt realize this story went beyond Mary (though I know Adam and Eve were players but always thought that was more of an Aesop's fable type thing). Obviosuly the only bible I have touched in my life ws the one my lapsed catholic friend from HS used- i nthe sense he cut a hole in the middle of it and kept his pot there.

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The Gospels use the term "brother of Jesus" to describe various people, including James (who's getting a lot of attention these days for other reasons, the ossuary being only the most recent).

The Catholics say Mary is "ever virgin" (i.e., she remained so until she was assumed bodily into heaven, thereby avoiding death as a reward for her obedience to God). The term "brother" in the Gospels is, according to the Catholics, from an Aramaic term that supposedly did not distinguish between brothers and cousins. Thus (according to this view), "brother of Jesus" means cousin of Jesus.

The Protestants say that it's not theologically necessary that Mary was "ever virgin," and that she and Joseph had natural children after Jesus. According to this view, brother means brother, period.

Timmy note (sorry, Abba): The Immaculate Conception does not refer to the conception of Jesus. It refers to the conception of Mary by St. Anne without original sin, though in the usual manner. It is a Catholic-only doctrine, its feast day is celebrated only by Catholics, and it's the most widely misunderstood Christian doctrine held by professed Christians, including Catholics themselves. Rant over.

Edited to add: Son of a bitch. I've been out-Grinched.

Originally posted by paigowprincess
This is one of the things that bugs me about fake boobs. They seem to have eclipsed the beautiful god given body in terms of ideal. ITs no longer enough to be 18 fit and tan. Now you need a pair of flotation devices sewn into your body to be truly hot. I might as well give up the battle and get mine done.

Screw flotation devices - I value my spine's happiness over fake boobs any day. The friends I have with naturally huge tracts of land do nothing but complain about them - back hurts, clothes don't fit, etc. To those who want/have them - more power to you, go get them, but I don't want to hear you bitch about them later.

-TL

[andViolins]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss Edited to add that it is common knowledge that Mary was a slut.

Wait, I thought that was Mary Magdalene? I'm so confused. Although I did reference the James box WAAAAY before Paigow did.

aV

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Mark also states that Jesus had four brothers and two sisters, which suggests actual siblings as opposed to some other concept of brother.

Far be it from me to pick sides in the Catholic v. Protestant wars, but it's a really dicey proposition to base one's views of a first-century author's intent based on a word used in an English translation, especially when the translations only occurred after the Catholic v. Protestant war began.

For the Catholic scholarly view, click here for the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on the matter.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
This is one of the things that bugs me about fake boobs. They seem to have eclipsed the beautiful god given body in terms of ideal. ITs no longer enough to be 18 fit and tan. Now you need a pair of flotation devices sewn into your body to be truly hot. I might as well give up the battle and get mine done.

Hell no, unless you've got the body fat to make em look real. Did you see Jenna at the end of Survivor? She was starved so thin you could almost read the manufacturer's name on her implants. Ecchhhh!

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by andViolins
Wait, I thought that was Mary Magdalene? I'm so confused. Although I did reference the James box WAAAAY before Paigow did.

aV

Mary was, by some accounts, a young teen when she gave birth to Jesus. Think about the story she was spouting also--"No, really. I have never done the sex with anyone. I have no idea how I got knocked up, but it felt like a religious experience. Really. I mean, I saw God."

Aside from that, I was kidding.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by dtb
Hey -- did you live in my house or something?

I dunno. Did you have a "sunken living room," "loeuver (sp?) doors" and "picture windows" anywhere in your house????


I am getting the willies just thinking about it.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Mary's mother was named Anne? And Anne also got pregnant without sex. But not by the big G? Who would thus also be Jesus's grandpaw as well as his paw (this is starting to sound very Springer with the incest and the half brothers and sisters crawling out of the woodwork so to speak)? How did Anne get pregnant without sex , do the catholics propose? And couldnt "brother" have been meant in the same sense that the african american community uses the term today?

Well, she was Jewish, so it was probably Hannah (if she existed at all, blah blah blah). According to tradition and several noncanonical gospels, St. Anne and St. Joachim conceived Miriam (Mary) in the ordinary manner (i.e., via sexual congress), but by miraculous intervention of the Holy Spirit, she did not recieve the taint of original sin. Only Jesus was concieved entirely without the sexual act.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by TexLex
Screw flotation devices - I value my spine's happiness over fake boobs any day. The friends I have with naturally huge tracts of land do nothing but complain about them - back hurts, clothes don't fit, etc. To those who want/have them - more power to you, go get them, but I don't want to hear you bitch about them later.

-TL

Stretch knits are the only available way to go for fit. Silk sweatersets with a touch of spandex--hallelujah!

Originally posted by andViolins
Wait, I thought that was Mary Magdalene? I'm so confused. Although I did reference the James box WAAAAY before Paigow did.

aV

Who is Mary Magdalene? I thought they all went by one name in those days, like Cher? I have always vageuly wondered about this stuff but didnt really care enough to ask. THank god for the FB. No pun.

And I thought the difference between Catholics and Protestants was that Protestants, in true Connecticut style, didnt feel all the bells and whistles (ie stained glass and saints) were necessary. Just keep it simple.

Was it David Cross that said the bible is hilarious? I should read it.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I am Lutheran (if I were Catholic, I couldn't exist as a PK) and am fairly certain that Lutherans believe that Jesus had siblings.

I think a few Borgia popes might disagree with you about the possibility of your existance as the child of a Catholic clergyman, but I digress.

As for the non-Catholic view of whether there were siblings of Jesus, well, learn something new every day. And, like gwnc, I had friends that went to an Immaculate Conception school (I went to Our Lady of Perpetual Motion), though I never thought to think about what the words meant until third grade when Sister Mary Margaret (favorite quote: "God Loves You And Wants You To Learn; That's Why I Get To Hit You") taught us the concept.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by bilmore
FWIW, there are lots of us out here who don't consider Busty LeChest to be the ideal picture of feminine beauty.

(Women with huge chests can't hardly paddle, and, in a swimming race, might as well strap on sea anchors.)

I beg to differ. With 38DDs I swim like a dolphin in the water -- fast and sleek, baby. It helps to wear the proper Speedo racing suit rather than a bikini or something. They float in the hottub if unrestrained, if that means anything. I wonder if it would be different if they were not real -- I guess they wouldn't flatten out at all in the racing suit.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
[more blah blah blah]

You really really need to get that "Not" out of your descriptor today.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Far be it from me to pick sides in the Catholic v. Protestant wars, but it's a really dicey proposition to base one's views of a first-century author's intent based on a word used in an English translation, especially when the translations only occurred after the Catholic v. Protestant war began.

For the Catholic scholarly view, click here for the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on the matter.

I am positive that you know more about this than I do. That said, I do not base my beliefs on my recent internet search but rather on listening to sermons in which my dad opines about what the actual text meant (he teaches Hebrew and Greek), comparing various ways of translating, etc. Not that he would be right, but anyway.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I'm a heathen and when I was little I had friends who went to Immaculate Conception school. I knew what immaculate meant because my mother always used to tell us that she wanted our bedrooms to be immaculate. I asked her once (out of context) what conception meant and she said it meant "an idea". So I thought that Immaculate Conception school was the school of tidy ideas. I went there once and was upset that some of the classrooms were messy.

That is very cute.


I was convinced a watermelon would grow in my stomach and for years was afraid to eat it. My dad insisted the seeds would take root if I ate one. Of course, he also told me he rode to school on dinosaurs and battled a huge spider in the basement. (He still insists the last one is true.)