Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
But what is original sin? Its not sex, its not cum, but you cant have sex without it? or was that a one trick wonder? wtf is it?

The original sin was Adam and Eve's disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden, when they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and were expelled. This is the original sin of mankind, and it stains all of their progeny. Christ died to obtain forgiveness for mankind for this original sin, and so original sin can only be expunged by baptism in the Christian church (even catholics recognize the validity of baptism in all christian sects). Before the birth of christ, all otherwise virtuous people went to hell (or limbo, though that was abolished by the Pope in the '80s) to await his birth (he spent the 3 days between being crucified and appearing to his appostles - the first of which was Mary M, by the by) harrowing hell and releasing all the "virtuous pagans" from the confines of hell. Since his birth, anyone who wasn't baptized goes to hell no matter how virtuous they were. (No official word on unbaptized babies since limbo was abolished.)

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by purse junkie
I thought it was the idea that everyone conceived through sex and delivered via the usual works is a dirty disgusting sinner, which means everyone is. But Mary was somehow born without it. Or was that Jesus?

Fuck, I'm not sure. Whaddaya expect from an atheist doomed to eternal hell?

Adam and Eve committed a sin and as we are descended from them, we are stained by their commission of that sin. Some would say it was Eve who committed the sin and thus women especially are stained, since she pushed Adam to take a bite of the apple.

Regardless, the sin was the act that caused God to throw Adam and Eve out of Eden. And we are stained by their sin.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
But what is original sin? Its not sex, its not cum, but you cant have sex without it? or was that a one trick wonder? wtf is it?

"Original sin" is, briefly, the concept that Adam and Eve used their free will to disobey God, and thereby allowed evil into the world. Because original sin is kind of a genetic thing, we are all (except for Mary due to the Immaculate Conception, and Jesus due to the whole God thing) born with it.

So, it isn't really about sex (other than the fact that it hits us the moment we are conceived, which usually has something to do with sex).

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Adam and Eve committed a sin and as we are descended from them, we are stained by their commission of that sin. Some would say it was Eve who committed the sin and thus women especially are stained, since she pushed Adam to take a bite of the apple.

Regardless, the sin was the act that caused God to throw Adam and Eve out of Eden. And we are stained by their sin.

So Adam chomps the apple and Eve gets the blame because she told him to? Sounds like Adam (1) was spineless and (2) in Dr. Phil psychobabble parlance, should take ownership of his actions and stop letting Eve take the heat for them.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

stuff about jesus's brothers etc.

I thought that another theory on this was that some of those "siblings" were Joseph's children from a prior marriage - hence, again, half siblings since Joseph accepted responsibility as Jesus's father by marrying Mary after she was knocked up? Joe was traditionally quite old when he and Mary married, and I thought that the supposed prior wife was some close relation of Mary's. (Which was usual at the time - you kept intermarrying among and within families to prevent wealth dissipation, a practice which only in fact got stamped out sometime around the 12th/13th century when the Church got involved in consecrating marriages and instituted the "no cosanguinity" rules by way of trying to break the power of the secular nobility in Europe.) So, anyhow, I thought, it was though quite possible that the "confusion" about the term for brother/cousin arose because people were very often both half-siblings AND cousins.

I also believe that Joseph and Mary were supposed to be first cousins, to loop back into a prior topic.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by dtb
This is curious to me. You eschew only mammals in your dining selections? So you would eat fish and birds? That is interesting...

I can't speak for Paig (and wouldn't dare to anyway) but if I said mammals I would have meant everything. For over 20 years now I have gone sans mammals, fish and birds (and eggs and milk). I admit that the core of the aversion is a love of animals (as I tuck my leather shoes behind the chair) but there was also that whole thing about reading The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and being very disturbed about the process (yes, I know that things have changed a bit now). My doc says that it has been so long that my body would reject meat if I tried to eat it now. Reject? I guess that means barf. For some reason, I am very very very sensitive to the smell of meat -- I can't stand to handle it directly when I cook it for my carnivore hubby. I definitely would never touch fish, the feel and smell of poultry gives me the willies and if I touch a steak or something I swear that the smell stays on my fingers for days. I am not, however, one of those people who will say something to a meat-eater at dinner or anything -- to each his own.

For my food issues, among other things, my hubby says that I am a fucking nutball (but a harmless one) -- I think he means it in the most loving way possible.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by purse junkie
So Adam chomps the apple and Eve gets the blame because she told him to? Sounds like Adam (1) was spineless and (2) in Dr. Phil psychobabble parlance, should take ownership of his actions and stop letting Eve take the heat for them.

It's a great excuse for keeping women down, i.e. their evil nature is what caused the original sin to happen.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by bilmore
"What do you mean, you have blisters on your nipples? We were just paddling!"

Do we have a board motto yet???

[MisterEbola]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Some would say it was Eve who committed the sin and thus women especially are stained, since she pushed Adam to take a bite of the apple.

Dirty slut....

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
The original sin was Adam and Eve's disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden, when they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge and were expelled. This is the original sin of mankind, and it stains all of their progeny. Christ died to obtain forgiveness for mankind for this original sin, and so original sin can only be expunged by baptism in the Christian church (even catholics recognize the validity of baptism in all christian sects). Before the birth of christ, all otherwise virtuous people went to hell (or limbo, though that was abolished by the Pope in the '80s) to await his birth (he spent the 3 days between being crucified and appearing to his appostles - the first of which was Mary M, by the by) harrowing hell and releasing all the "virtuous pagans" from the confines of hell. Since his birth, anyone who wasn't baptized goes to hell no matter how virtuous they were. (No official word on unbaptized babies since limbo was abolished.)

Thank you. Questions:
1)how did Mary's mom get an exception for the original sin deal?
2)was the "tree of knowledge" an actual tree or was this a metaphor? What was the fruit? Pomegranate? I thought they fucked and that was the problem, but also a necessity since they were the only two people around and had to do it. Which would make us all brothers and sisters- there , problem between catholics and protestants solved!
3) if Mary Magdalene was a prostitute (which I assume was a bad thing), how did she get such a high ranking gig?
4) I thought Jesus was put to death against his will, for his beliefs. Did he intend to expunge the sin or whatnot? DId he have a clue?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Me. If I ever needed an excuse to never, ever jog, that is absolutely it.

Jesus (tying threads together neatly). Now I'm afraid to even move my arms to reach across my desk for a pen.

FWIW, I've only seen it happen to guys, but I've seen it A LOT. It's not pretty.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I thought they fucked and that was the problem, but also a necessity since they were the only two people around and had to do it. Which would make us all brothers and sisters- there , problem between catholics and protestants solved!

I thought it was because they saw their own nakedness, were ashamed, and put leaves on their "privates" -- did I dream that up? Maybe I am confusing religion with the need for nipple bandages when kayaking.

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I can't speak for Paig (and wouldn't dare to anyway) but if I said mammals I would have meant everything. For over 20 years now I have gone sans mammals, fish and birds (and eggs and milk). I admit that the core of the aversion is a love of animals (as I tuck my leather shoes behind the chair) but there was also that whole thing about reading The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and being very disturbed about the process (yes, I know that things have changed a bit now). My doc says that it has been so long that my body would reject meat if I tried to eat it now. Reject? I guess that means barf. For some reason, I am very very very sensitive to the smell of meat -- I can't stand to handle it directly when I cook it for my carnivore hubby. I definitely would never touch fish, the feel and smell of poultry gives me the willies and if I touch a steak or something I swear that the smell stays on my fingers for days. I am not, however, one of those people who will say something to a meat-eater at dinner or anything -- to each his own.

For my food issues, among other things, my hubby says that I am a fucking nutball (but a harmless one) -- I think he means it in the most loving way possible.

I emailed DTB withan explanation. Isaid mammals to distinguiosh our whiskered friends from the feathered and gilled sets.

And I am still not entirely convinced that you arent some tribute sock with paigesque qualities taken to the nth degree. Not that I would dirnk Bud light unless I was wandering a dead show parking lot and it was really hot and someone handed me one. also, your boobs are way too big

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Was it David Cross that said the bible is hilarious? I should read it.

You should. I suggest starting with Leviticus.

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
But what is original sin? Its not sex, its not cum, but you cant have sex without it? or was that a one trick wonder? wtf is it?

as for coltraines post about chaffing nipples and blood- two different things, buddy. Never heard of nips bleeding especially to the extent where it creates an 11. Where is lactation lover?

I guess you have never gone to a marathon. I see it all the time when I go to watch the Boston race. Very squicky.