Fashion Board 3-5-04 to 4-6-04

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Dave Blood of the Dead Milkmen now drives that bitchin' camaro in the sky.

Would a Dead Milkman have been sufficiently famous to qualify as a death pool entry?

This makes me sad. In High School I made myself a "Bucky Fellini" shirt. I really liked those guys. I'll tip a little Diet Dr. Pepper out for Dave today.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
You walked into the courtroom
Right after smoking some killer pot
Your watch strategically dipped below one sleeve
Your argument, it was rot
You uttered foul truths to a juror
who sat stunned and watched you go off
And opposing counsel dreamed that they'd be your partner
They'd be your partner, and

You'll get laid
You mostly think everyone's with you
You'll get laid
You mainly think most people agree with you
Don't you? Don't you?

You joined Alpha Dog fifteen years ago
When you were still quite a dweeb
Zipper cat's schlong needed some serious repair
And Beer Bottle Cat's schlong was quite flacceed
Social class and ass are the things you loved
And fake tits were very cheap
I had some blow it was cut with instant white coffee
Instant white coffee, and

You'll get laid
You mostly think everyone's with you
You'll get laid
You mainly think most people agree with you
Don't you? Don't you?

I had some blow it was cut with instant white coffee
Instant white coffee, and

You'll get laid
You mostly think everyone's with you
You'll get laid
You mainly think most people agree with you
Don't you? Don't you?

Well, I hear you moved to Philadelphia
where the asses are totally fat
Then you talked some shit bout how lawyers are tools
Yet you still think you're a really cool cat
Well, you're where you should be all the time
Reminiscing with Slave and Coltrane
About naked boys, bong hits and beer can pyramids
Beer can pyramids and

You'll get laid
You mostly think everyone's with you
You'll get laid
You mainly think most people agree with you
Don't you? Don't you?


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So, can I finally say that I invented something?

link

Carly Simon parodies are so 2003.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
This makes me sad. In High School I made myself a "Bucky Fellini" shirt. I really liked those guys. I'll tip a little Diet Dr. Pepper out for Dave today.

Seriously, I agree it's very sad, especially when I read the circumstances.

It brings back memories for me also. When in college, I worked security at the front of the stage and did some setup for a show they played on my campus -- (I got the gig b/c my brother was part of the CPB at the time.) Fun night -- good crowd.

I got to hang out with them a bit before and after the show. They were all pretty cool guys and Dave was probably the most genuinely nice/down-to-earth person in the bunch.

(Confidential to str8: I think that actually now moves me beyond you in the indie cred category, for those keeping score at home.)

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
This makes me sad. In High School I made myself a "Bucky Fellini" shirt. I really liked those guys. I'll tip a little Diet Dr. Pepper out for Dave today.

In memory of Dave, I share with you the following conversation with my father:

baltassoc [opening birthday present, at least 15 years ago]: "The Dead Milkmen! Thanks, Dad."
baltdad: "Well, I was in the music store looking for something for you, and I came across this cd, and I thought, 'How can I not get an album named "Beelzebubba."'"
baltassoc: "Well, yah, cool."
baltdad: "So I asked the clerk 'Do you think my teenage son would like this?' and he said 'Absolutely, if he's cool enough.'"
baltassoc: "It's great, Dad."
baltdad: "So I wasn't sure, but I figured I'd get it for you anyway."
baltassoc: "Um.........Yah. Thanks?"

eta: this probably moves me to the end of the line in terms of indie cred

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Anyway, the fat-bashing is both annoyingly repetitive and unseemly.

Actually, I find it fascinating. This is just a different version of a question I've asked before, and which has previously caused long and unseemly "debate" on this board, but why do so many people have such a visceral negative reaction to the overweight? And it's not a "you're ugly," or "you have a yucky unhealthy condition," or "you are not in my socio-economic class" type of negative reaction, it is ... something else. It really seems to be taken as an outward expression of character.

Note, I'm not talking about the pleasantly plump BMI of 26 or 27 type of fat, I mean actual obesity. I am well aware that certain cultures favor the very fat, but, frankly, I don't think negative views of obesity are necessarily a learned or socially determined reaction (though I was surprised when I realized the extent to which I've "upgraded" what I consider to be really obese vs. plump over the last 10-15 years, based purely on the fact that so many people are so much fatter, such that one immediate family member went from seeming really fat to seeming not-svelt without losing a pound just because everyone around her seems to be expanding so much). I sometimes have the same reaction myself, and I come from a family well stocked with the rotund; Heck, I hardly have a flat ass myself. And yet ... there just seems to be something else going on, and I can't for the life of me figure out what it is. I've a close friend who is just about the only non-obese female in her entire extended family in living memory and we've discussed it quite a bit and she can't figure out where the negative reaction (which she also feels) comes from any better than I can.

BR(I have assigned the Mr. reading on evolutionary psychology in re: this point, but he has come up empty)C

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

[BMI calculator so y'all can figure out what I mean by "pleasantly plump BMI of 26 or 27" and let me know if you think I'm a skinny-nazi or a chubby-chaser.]

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by spookyfish
(Confidential to str8: I think that actually now moves me beyond you in the indie cred category, for those keeping score at home.)

To paraphrase a great musical scholar of our age, a punk rock band whose ouevre consists of novelty songs may be loads of fun when you are young and drunk, but they do not give you much in terms of indie cred.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
To paraphrase a great musical scholar of our age, a punk rock band whose ouevre consists of novelty songs may be loads of fun when you are young and drunk, but they do not give you much in terms of indie cred.

Um, whiff.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I was going to do the above as a PM to rp, but then I realized that it's probably better to say this stuff on the board. I usually just ignore stuff that bothers me or annoys me or whatever, but I remembered that bad stuff happens when good people are silent. Or was it "mean people suck"? Anyway, the fat-bashing is both annoyingly repetitive and unseemly. Y'all should know better.

There was no fat-bashing. The thread was about abrogation of personal responsibility. When certain people are told they should be responsible for themselves, they call it bashing. The "fatties are stupid" comment was clearly tongue in cheek. If you didn't realize that, you're obviously fat.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There was no fat-bashing. The thread was about abrogation of personal responsibility. When certain people are told they should be responsible for themselves, they call it bashing. The "fatties are stupid" comment was clearly tongue in cheek. If you didn't realize that, you're obviously fat.

and stupid?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Actually, I find it fascinating. This is just a different version of a question I've asked before, and which has previously caused long and unseemly "debate" on this board, but why do so many people have such a visceral negative reaction to the overweight? And it's not a "you're ugly," or "you have a yucky unhealthy condition," or "you are not in my socio-economic class" type of negative reaction, it is ... something else. It really seems to be taken as an outward expression of character.

But whose character? It's so visceral that it seems to me to be best explained by other parts of psychology -- think, e.g., projection.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The "fatties are stupid" comment was clearly tongue in cheek. If you didn't realize that, you're obviously fat.

Originally posted by spookyfish
and stupid?

Sigh. I so should have listened to Dean Wormer.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The thread was about abrogation of personal responsibility.

Well, at least the proposed solutions were.

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Uh-oh. How do you feel about Eva Silverstein posts? This is a matter of ongoing concern.

All these Eva Silverstein posts made me go searching for the AIR* website. Thanks Atticus and Hank for reminding me of this, I have once again signed up for their newsletter. In honor of the up-coming Easter holiday and in the time-honored FB tradition of posting silly web links I give you that AIR classic - Peep Surgery.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled fat v. thin thread and I will return to the never-ending review and production of client e-mail.

*Annals of Improbable Research - funny science stuff.
Link here

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There was no fat-bashing. The thread was about abrogation of personal responsibility. When certain people are told they should be responsible for themselves, they call it bashing. The "fatties are stupid" comment was clearly tongue in cheek. If you didn't realize that, you're obviously fat.

First, your "abrogation of personal responsibility" line is total bullshit. You're making a moral judgment about people you don't even know. You presume that everyone who is fat pretends that they are fat for reasons entirely beyond their control. I haven't met these people who are in denial. I sincerely doubt that you have, I think you make them up when you quote them. You judge fat people before you ever even talk to them (in much the same way you dismiss stay at home mothers as vapid women with nothing to say).

Second, I obviously recognized that the fatties are stupid comment was meant to be tongue in cheek (and I think Not Bob did, too), but you have said that so many times before and clearly meant it sincerely, that the mere fact that it was tongue in cheek this time does not render you immune from being criticized as a fat basher.

Third, I really hope your suggestion that only a person who is fat herself would describe your comments as fat bashing was also tongue in cheek. If it wasn't, I don't care whether you think I'm fat or thin, because if you think that offense can only stem from personal insecurity about something, then that really does reflect poorly on you. I'd rather have you believe I'm unattractive or unhealthy or fail to take responsibility for my weight (or whatever justification you use to explain your scorn for fat people) than prove that I am unwilling to take responsibility for my own statements, as you apparently are.

[AnotherSarcasticSock]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

[BMI calculator so y'all can figure out what I mean by "pleasantly plump BMI of 26 or 27" and let me know if you think I'm a skinny-nazi or a chubby-chaser.]

According to this, I border on obsese (29.4 BMI). I could afford to lose 15 lbs, but I don't Darth Vader breathe, I wear size 36 jeans, and exercise regularly.