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[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I heard someone say that he was a mediocre comic who landed the perfect role

This could be said about nearly every great small screen character.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
He came off as a stammering fucking fool on Letterman. His tangents about Katrina and his freestyle stage persona made him look like a jackass who wanted to point to anything other than his clear intent in using the word.

I was shocked that he didn't have anything prepared and floored that he didn't even seem to have a loose plan of what he was going to say.

Here is what he should have said:

TM

No. An apology doesn't really matter because it is the percieved intent to use this word to denegrate a person of color that bothers us, not that he "slipped." The slip demonstrates a long-standing belief that came out. That's what's so unforgivable.

He had two choices: (1) Explain that because of drugs he was not in control of himself; or (2) he was using that situation to demonstrate that words have no meaning, and that he was trying to imitate Lenny Bruce and it really just went wrong -- he would never use that word and by using it he was demonstrating how the use of such words was wrong and ridiculous, almost comical really.

Now, if he would have said to the guy "shut the fuck up cracker" maybe he still resurrects his career.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Okay, apparently people have said that he can rap. I'll defer to the experts -- I don't contest that.

But am I the only person who can't get passed his white, nerdy voice? How is this guy taken seriously? The only difference b/w him and Weird Al is that Eminem is serious.

Or is that his draw? I want my rappers to be able to at least appear that they can kick my ass.

This post is what, about 6 years past its due date?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
yes. but given the extent of the rant, would anything have explained it? I mean if n***** is the first word out of a white guy's mouth when he's really pissed at a black guy, maybe he can explain it. It's a bit tougher when it's the first word, the 20th, the 90th...... and it's interspersed by lynching references.

What, am I going to disagree with you?

He put himself in a hole so deep that he's never going to get out of it. There's no explaining what he did, but he's gotta be thinking about mitigating the damage. And talking about Katrina and his freestyle stage persona ain't cuttin' it.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
that's probably close to the truth, but not a truth he could voice. or if he did voice it, it kills the career.

You must be kidding. First, his career was effectively over before he took the stage last night. Second, everyone knows the truth is that he'll never find a role as close to that one again. Admitting that he's been having trouble and the frustration has been building isn't going to harm his career. His first priority is getting past the Nigger string. He can worry about the damage admitting his typecasting problem will have later. Much later.

TM

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Okay, apparently people have said that he can rap. I'll defer to the experts -- I don't contest that.

But am I the only person who can't get passed his white, nerdy voice? How is this guy taken seriously? The only difference b/w him and Weird Al is that Eminem is serious.

Or is that his draw? I want my rappers to be able to at least appear that they can kick my ass.

This post is what, about 6 years past its due date?

I think people are willing to overlook his high, reedy-assed voice in view of the fact that lyrically he is pretty adept and is an above average rapper. Much of his "flow" he himself has admitted is while he is high. But whatever...he's good.

The Beastie Boys blew their load a long time ago. they try to reinvent but it's stale dude.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Thurgreed will remember that a few months ago, some penguins headed to Texas were in a car crash. Four didn't make it.

He and I had a moment of silence.

Happily, the ones that made it seem to be doing well. Two of them are celebrating the birth of a chick! There are eight more eggs awaiting hatching.

Yay penguins!

Penguins are overexposed. It's like ever since The March of the Penguins, people have been declaring their love for them. It makes me sick. Where were they when you could only see a penguin on the zoo cam? Hunh? Where were they then?

And this "Happy Feet" thing is an abomination. Penguin have feet of fury.

TM

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What, am I going to disagree with you?

He put himself in a hole so deep that he's never going to get out of it. There's no explaining what he did, but he's gotta be thinking about mitigating the damage. And talking about Katrina and his freestyle stage persona ain't cuttin' it.

You must be kidding. First, his career was effectively over before he took the stage last night. Second, everyone knows the truth is that he'll never find a role as close to that one again. Admitting that he's been having trouble and the frustration has been building isn't going to harm his career. His first priority is getting past the Nigger string. He can worry about the damage admitting his typecasting problem will have later. Much later.

TM

I wonder how this will affect sales of "The Real Kramer" Seinfeld tours.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

This post is what, about 6 years past its due date?

Or 20, if you think about the beastie boys.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I wonder how this will affect sales of "The Real Kramer" Seinfeld tours.

The Soup Nazi stop will have a whole new meaning.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Penguins are overexposed. It's like ever since The March of the Penguins, people have been declaring their love for them. It makes me sick. Where were they when you could only see a penguin on the zoo cam? Hunh? Where were they then?

And this "Happy Feet" thing is an abomination. Penguin have feet of fury.

TM

Hey, you know that I've been there from the beginning, when all I had was the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I was there before Snopes uncovered the truth about www.penguinwarehouse.com. I was there when the penguins at the San Francisco zoo started migrating. I'm old skool.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I wonder how this will affect sales of "The Real Kramer" Seinfeld tours.

I walk by that advertising sign plenty (corner of 55th and 8th, I think). Last time I did, I thought "why don't they take that ugly-ass thing down?" Does anyone go on that tour anymore?

[NotFromHere]

And for the Star Wars geeks in the crowd I bring you Chad Vader, episode 1.

Chad Vader, episode 2.

Chad Vader, episode 3.

Chad Vader, episode 4.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
No. An apology doesn't really matter because it is the percieved intent to use this word to denegrate a person of color that bothers us, not that he "slipped." The slip demonstrates a long-standing belief that came out. That's what's so unforgivable.

I agree about why we're mad. And I think what I said covers his "slip."

But I disagree on whether an apology matters. A quick, well thought-out apology takes away a good part of the intial anger. A poor apology digs yourself a deeper hole because you have to address what the apology lacks as well.

Originally posted by pony_trekker
He had two choices: (1) Explain that because of drugs he was not in control of himself; or (2) he was using that situation to demonstrate that words have no meaning, and that he was trying to imitate Lenny Bruce and it really just went wrong -- he would never use that word and by using it he was demonstrating how the use of such words was wrong and ridiculous, almost comical really.

(1) Nope. The whole drugs/alcohol thing is finished. It would work against him at this point. And he clearly isn't on drugs or alcohol in the video, which nearly everyone has watched.

(2) This would work if (i) people in general knew who Lenny Bruce was and (ii) weren't so fucking stupid. But this kind of nuanced, complicated excuse wouldn't be accepted by the people who don't get it and would be rejected by those of us who do, simply because it's complete bullshit.

TM

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I walk by that advertising sign plenty (corner of 55th and 8th, I think). Last time I did, I thought "why don't they take that ugly-ass thing down?" Does anyone go on that tour anymore?

Robert Altman doesn't.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You must be kidding. First, his career was effectively over before he took the stage last night.

Say you, he and I are in a room together before he went on stage (you mean before his show, not the apology?); Only 2 of would know this is true.