Fashion Board 3-5-04 to 4-6-04

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Hence the reason that excessive drinking and recreational drug use are discouraged in this country by Dram Shop Acts, limitations on the sale of liquor, and outlawed recreational drugs.

But all of those behaviors are almost explicitly labeled "cool" by the prevelant culture. We may make things illegal, but the perception of good or bad doesn't always swing on that distinction. Speeding is lillegal, too, but look how many people went to 2 Fast 2 Furious (or whatever it was) and then bought Subaru's.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
I've been told from people who know, that WalMart's lower prices are due in equal amounts to a) their ability to buy on a much larger scale than anybody else, b) their ruthless exercise of their buyer power (chargebacks), and c) their far-superior inventory and logistics system.

I've heard that it's all about SPLIFFS.

TM

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I am not attacking anyone with a glandular condition or genetic predicposition. I specifically limited my derision to people who find themselves where they are as a result of their own self control. Since these sort of people are indefensible, you enlarge the group to include all fat people so that you can call me a basher. You're tailoring the facts to suit your argument.

Tailoring the facts to suit my argument? You are funny. Just how do you distinguish between people with genetic predispositions or glandular conditions from the lazy fucks when you sneer at them on the street?

You are simply lucky that the areas of your life in which you lack self-control do not have similarly immediate deleterious aesthetic affects, thereby producing obvious "evidence" that people can use to justify their judgments about you, as overeating or lack of exercise have. Otherwise, your own lack of self control would be equally "indefensible."

Why do you think it is that you are so repulsed by the lack of self control when it comes to eating when you clearly lack self control in other areas? Why do you care so much about how other people look? Why do you and Coltrane seem to encounter so many people who make excuses for their own weaknesses, when I don't? Why are those excuses different or less excusable from excuses we all make for all of the other unproductive and unhealthy shit that we do in our lives?

You rail against judgmental people and poseurs and people who pretend to be something they're not, but you're extremely judgmental yourself. And it's just not amusing, like so many superficial subjects that we talk about here are.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I think the fat-bashing is done b/c some people view it as an issue that the majority of people have control over.

I just fat-bashed because this lady I worked with had very unusual hips and left grease on my friends files, and because Flower was being racist.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
2) Sunny bunny? Every time I smoke a joint or do a line of coke, whjich is hardly ever, but wahtever, a teenager in Des Moines does drugs. Whatever, Nancy.

So, you admit that you support terrorism?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by bilmore
But all of those behaviors are almost explicitly labeled "cool" by the prevelant culture. We may make things illegal, but the perception of good or bad doesn't always swing on that distinction. Speeding is lillegal, too, but look how many people went to 2 Fast 2 Furious (or whatever it was) and then bought Subaru's.

Great point. Making these behaviors illegal had a large role in making them "cool," which completely contradicts my previous point.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bilmore
look how many people went to 2 Fast 2 Furious (or whatever it was) and then bought Subaru's.

I think everyone here would mostly agree that I am mainly correct that neither one of the aforementioned activities are cool.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Interesting point. But people get defensive when their vices are described as causing larger social ills, and you can expect to be told to shut the fuck up unless you're spotless when it comes to self-destructive behaviors, even the ones that are totally cool on an anonymous chat board. People are shitting in my bed when they joke about excessive drinking and recreational drug use on this board as well --- their little vices "cause" crime and teen drug use to an even less attenuated extent than overeating causes a strain on the healthcare system and harm to others.

Yeah, the list of externalities is pretty much endless. Greenhouse gases for those who drive instead of taking the subway, child labor abuses for people who buy stuff made in some countries, organized crime for people who place bets with Sal in the corner deli, you name it.

BRC is right in that there seems to be some sort of visceral reaction to fat people, and she's right that the question of why that is so is kind of interesting (and I bet there is some sort of evolutionary biological theory that answers it), but reading examples of the visceral reaction ad nauseum ain't fun.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ever see how animals in the wild shun unhealthy animals? People who look like hell through no fault but their own raise a primordial disdain in others. Its an instinctual thing that probably dates back to when we travelled in tribes. The guy who ate too much became a drag on the group, and his appearance was the unmistakable proof of his crime.

You never had ancient art history, I'm willing to bet.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by spookyfish
I think everyone here would mostly agree that I am mainly correct that neither one of the aforementioned activites are cool.

Drinking? Drugs? In our society?

Uh huh.

You're just mad 'cuz they shut you down on that polygamy thing.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ever see how animals in the wild shun unhealthy animals? People who look like hell through no fault but their own raise a primordial disdain in others. Its an instinctual thing that probably dates back to when we travelled in tribes. The guy who ate too much became a drag on the group, and his appearance was the unmistakable proof of his crime.

I personally have a very visceral distaste for people who couch their own shortcomings as diseases. Its coddling the weak and it does a terrible disservice to the legitimately diseased.

Are you trying to disprove evolution? Isn't your intellect supposed to have some effect on your instincts? At least before you type out your expressions of primordial disdain?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Hence the reason that excessive drinking and recreational drug use are discouraged in this country by Dram Shop Acts, limitations on the sale of liquor, and outlawed recreational drugs.

The only deterrent to overreating is social. Apparently it's not very effective.

In the context of this board, which is judgment-neutral for all vices of a psychochemical and sexual nature, we can condemn overeating without being seen as judgmental tools. Because it means we're thin and pretty, I guess.

Unlike drinking and drug use, overeating is not regulated because its secondary effects are remote in time and almost entirely personal.* Besides, try to draft legislation. You can't prohibit the substance, obviously. I think it's absurd that intelligent people who call drug use a victimless crime would bring condemnation to bear on overeating.

*I guarantee that nearly every person on this board who rails against the possible effect of an individual's overeating on the healthcare system has driven drunk at least once, and will do so at least once more in their lifetime. By contrast, overeating is deserving of no condemnation whatsoever.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Interesting point. But people get defensive when their vices are described as causing larger social ills, and you can expect to be told to shut the fuck up unless you're spotless when it comes to self-destructive behaviors, even the ones that are totally cool on an anonymous chat board. People are shitting in my bed when they joke about excessive drinking and recreational drug use on this board as well --- their little vices "cause" crime and teen drug use to an even less attenuated extent than overeating causes a strain on the healthcare system and harm to others.

Absolutely 100% correct (not just mainly so).

But unlike the overeaters, we binge drinkers and recreational substance abusers have never applied for acceptance. We know we're to blame for the ills we cause to ourselves and others. We hide our vices in bars and clubs. None of us band together and form groups demanding accpetance or seeking to sue booze manufacturers. We admit its our fault. We take responsibility.

BTW, most of us tend to be rather responsible in our intake and pretty damn judgmental of those who can't control their appetites. I don't like being around people who lose control. If you don't have the organs for the substances, you shouldn't take them, and don't expect me to think its funny if I have to keep you out of a barfight or drag you home covered in puke or calm you down because you think you're having a heart attack.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
People are shitting in my bed when they joke about excessive drinking and recreational drug use on this board as well

I am more than a little bit offended if you seriously think that I am joking about these subjects.

As for the shitting in your bed thing . . . listen, I already told you I'm sorry. There is a reason they call that type of thing an "accident." Drop it already.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bilmore
You're just mad 'cuz they shut you down on that polygamy thing.

Huh?

Oh, that.

Well, you didn't buy me a nice enough ring.