Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
panel?
Conf. to Club. Are there are any guys in your group who correct people when they islam-bash?

Not if they want to get promoted.

[Not Me]

I am sure that muslims prayed for the attackers, too, only in a bit different way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ixportal.html

• Iraqi Christians pray for their attackers
  
  Adrian Blomfield in Baghdad finds the newly targeted minority community defiant yet calling for forgiveness
  
  With a tear rolling down his cheek, Fr Faris Toma stood amid the wreckage outside his Baghdad church yesterday, and prayed for the bombers who killed 10 of his congregation.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
We seem at this point to be passing in the night. Gatti and (supposedly) Sidd rightly say that progressive taxationis philosophically justifiable based on Rawls. (I'll note it's probably morally justified by the bible, but, then again, so is slavery purportedly). You're saying progressive taxation is generally unfair because it's too progressive.

Well, both can be right. In general, progressive taxes are philosophically supported by Rawls, but perhaps not to some degree.

And, I'll note, that the Reagan revolution appears to have benefitted everyone, which suggests that it meets the Rawlsian test of justice.

True, but that still doesn't handle the moral basis, unless you take the Sidd/Gatti position that the individual wouldn't earn anything without the government.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
speaking of fairness...

[confidental to club]Google Robert Nozick for counters to Rawls[/confidential to club]

I can't believe I just did that.

Thanks, but that would be cheating in my book.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
True, but that still doesn't handle the moral basis,

I am not sure what you mean by moral basis, then. Most if not all major religions take the position that the haves should give portions of their wealth to help the have nots. Although Karl Marx may have been anti-religion, the economic system he advocated for was in line with the teachings of JC. While I know that religion is not synonymous with morality, see e.g., islam, many people, perhaps even most people, look to religion for morality.

[Diane_Keaton]

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[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
I am not sure what you mean by moral basis, then. Most if not all major religions take the position that the haves should give portions of their wealth to help the have nots. Although Karl Marx may have been anti-religion, the economic system he advocated for was in line with the teachings of JC. While I know that religion is not synonymous with morality, see e.g., islam, many people, perhaps even most people, look to religion for morality.

The key distinction here being the government as intermediary.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
The key distinction here being the government as intermediary.

I still am trying to understand, though, what you mean by moral. Not trying to argue, just understand. Most people mean religious morals when they say morals.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
And, I'll note, that the Reagan revolution appears to have benefitted everyone, which suggests that it meets the Rawlsian test of justice.

Well, by that standard, I'm sure you'll agree that the Clintonian revolution does too.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
panel?

Fuck nfh is a boy. I say you are a corporate guy. NTTAWWT.

See, e.g., 6 Cir. I.O.P. 34(b).

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
True, but that still doesn't handle the moral basis, unless you take the Sidd/Gatti position that the individual wouldn't earn anything without the government.

1. I think you're confusing me with someone else. If you're asking, I agree that the absence of government makes it difficult to earn anything, at least absent a private security force that protects your fortified villa. The existence of the government justifies a tax. Theories such as Rawls' justify a progressive tax system of some sort.

2. You keep repeating this word "moral" as a distinguishing mark from (say) philosophical or other terminology. I honestly don't know what you're trying to get at.

Morality is generally defined as "complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong. Oftentimes, these concepts and beliefs are generalized and codified in a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behaviour of its members."

It is not inherently a religious term, but instead "can be derived from many sources. Very often, an individual's morality is influenced, to large degree, by religion, but other sources are also often cited, such as objective (natural) reality or political reality." Morality as a code of conduct does not require the presence of religion, nor does its absence (or the presence of other entities, like government, found in the social compact) preclude it.

When you say that the differentiator here is the presence of the government as intermediary, I don't know what the hell you mean, unless you're trying to tell us that any activity involving the government's taking funds from your cold, dead hands is inherently evil, and can never be moral. If so, then at least the conversation has become simpler.

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[Gattigap]

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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
speaking of fairness...

[confidental to club]Google Robert Nozick for counters to Rawls[/confidential to club]

I can't believe I just did that.

Then you just have to Google Nozick for a response to Nozick, right?

[Not Me]

I am literally ROFLMAO!!! Her latest quote is even better than Shove It! Four more years of Hell!!!!

Hey those of you who are populists voting for Kerry, did you hear how he staged the photo op at Wendy's but they had lunch prepared by a yacht club to be delivered at the same time? Guess Wendy's is only for the little people. The gigilos to rich women and the ambulance chasers (hi AG!) eat yacht club fare!!!!

Four More Years of Hell, yeah baby!!!

[Not Me]

I know that technically, the first ladies don't have access to the button, but they are fucking the prez (well, OK, some of them weren't like Hillary and Eleanor Roosevelt) and I have to wonder about pillow talk. This Teresa is a loose cannon and I don't want this over-privileged parasite anywhere near the button.