Hp&hbp Spoilers

[mommylawyer]

Okay, substitute "Harry's doorknob" with "Harry's penis" and continue making that argument.


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Err..maybe Voldemort was no longer enthralled with Ginny...you know how some guys have a one night stand and then duck when they see the girl coming.....

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ok...couldn't resist and this presumes you know about harry & gin
i know i know they're children!

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
2. They could have made it much better.

It's been a while since I read the book, but weren't there pseudo-dementors in the maze? Harry and Cedric's finding the cup sort of took me by surprise, because I was waiting for dementors to show up.

I sniffled a bit when Harry brought Cedric back, and I jumped every single time I was supposed to jump at something popping onto the screen.

I thought the CGI was exceptional. Especially the dragons.

I was really bummed out that the Fred and George sub-plot wasn't really developed, especially given their dramatic departure from Hogwarts in the next novel. I imagine they'll build up the magic store idea a bit in the next movie, but it's not going to be as natural is it was in the books.

I love Neville.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I sniffled a bit when Harry brought Cedric back[...].

That's when I got a little misty. When Amos starts screaming, "That's my boy!!!"

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I was really bummed out that the Fred and George sub-plot wasn't really developed, especially given their dramatic departure from Hogwarts in the next novel. I imagine they'll build up the magic store idea a bit in the next movie, but it's not going to be as natural is it was in the books.

I love Neville.

Absolutely - both. Neville's being the first to step out of line when McGonnagal is trying to teach them to dance (especially the look on his face) was one of the sweetest moments in the movie.

I was a little surprised at leaving the Fred/George subplot out too -- when it was obvious that it was being left out (when they didn't show them winning the bet), I was a little surprised, but because it was early in the movie, I came to terms early on with the fact that it wasn't going to be anything like the book in terms of detail, I was able to enjoy the movie a lot more.

Not only is the F/G plot important to the next book(s), it is a clue (I think) that time travel is possible other than with access to a time turner. (Or maybe that's how F/G went to "the future" to win their bet.)

Does anyone think time travel wasn't involved in F/G's winning the bet on the outcome of the Quidditch World Cup?

[Albus]

Does anyone think time travel wasn't involved in F/G's winning the bet on the outcome of the Quidditch World Cup?

I don't. The duel in the Ministry of Magic eventually destroys all of the time turners. The capacity to go back to the past is lost.

Here is what Jo says about it in a recent interview:

ES: How on earth did Fred and George know that Ireland would win and Bulgaria would get the Snitch?

JKR: Well, I think that if you were really into Quidditch you could have predicted that. What they had -

ES: But how can you predict that, because you don't know when the Snitch is going to show up.

JKR: It was a risk. They risked everything on it. That is Fred and George, isn't it? They are the risk-takers in the family. You've got Percy at one end of the family — conform, do everything correctly — and you've got Fred and George, who just take a totally different life path and were prepared to risk everything. They risked all they had, which is as much as anyone can do.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Albus
I don't. The duel in the Ministry of Magic eventually destroys all of the time turners. The capacity to go back to the past is lost.

But that was after their bet, not before.

Originally posted by Albus
Here is what Jo says about it in a recent interview:

ES: How on earth did Fred and George know that Ireland would win and Bulgaria would get the Snitch?

JKR: Well, I think that if you were really into Quidditch you could have predicted that. What they had -

ES: But how can you predict that, because you don't know when the Snitch is going to show up.

JKR: It was a risk. They risked everything on it. That is Fred and George, isn't it? They are the risk-takers in the family. You've got Percy at one end of the family — conform, do everything correctly — and you've got Fred and George, who just take a totally different life path and were prepared to risk everything. They risked all they had, which is as much as anyone can do.

Can't argue with JKR.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by dtb
Can't argue with JKR.

If a work were properly measured by the secret ingenuity of the author's intentions, the FB would currently be named in tribute to Mandy GA.

[notcasesensitive]

Powers That Be, can we use this generally as a book thread or do I have to read Harry Potter in order to have a chance to discuss such things?

Gratzi.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Powers That Be, can we use this generally as a book thread or do I have to read Harry Potter in order to have a chance to discuss such things?

Gratzi.

Some if it is interesting but he gets way to detailed with the environment degredation. Its like the begats in the bible. The Australian and Chines sections seemed like one long list of environment problem.

In the beginning it was very interesting but as it goes along it gets more and more boring.

Like you said, the facts of the case studies are interesting, but his summaries and conclusions are a waste of time.

I read every word up to China and Australia where I started to skim. I am on the final chapter now, but don't know if I am going to read it.

I don't have a work schedule and I do need to sell my house over that weekend, so the 13th would actually would be the best day for me to go.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Powers That Be, can we use this generally as a book thread or do I have to read Harry Potter in order to have a chance to discuss such things?

Gratzi.

Go ahead, go ahead. Want me to change the title?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
Some if it is interesting but he gets way to detailed with the environment degredation. Its like the begats in the bible. The Australian and Chines sections seemed like one long list of environment problem.

In the beginning it was very interesting but as it goes along it gets more and more boring.

Like you said, the facts of the case studies are interesting, but his summaries and conclusions are a waste of time.

I read every word up to China and Australia where I started to skim. I am on the final chapter now, but don't know if I am going to read it.

I don't have a work schedule and I do need to sell my house over that weekend, so the 13th would actually would be the best day for me to go.

I thought that his Chevron example towards the end of the book was interesting. And it is probably true that the big oil companies could play a substantial role in preserving environments if given the appropriate incentives (some of which exist already in terms of renewable resources at least).

I find some of the cultural analysis from both of his books fascinating and I think that is why I enjoy his stuff so much - he manages a good blend of discussions of scientific, culteral and environmental factors, without giving short-shrift to any of the elements on its own. Yes, that does mean that sometimes he ends up droning on about things I find uninteresting (I thought the Greenland Norse thing was never going to end and in GGS, I though he repeated himself far too often about his factors for growth). But overall I think he has some good theories and some well-thought out conclusions.

I'll see if my out-of-town friends want to go on the 13th. Otherwise, we may just have to check it out separately and report back...

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
1.) Why didn't Harry recognize Snape's handwriting in the potions book? I'm thinking that Harry was being deliberately obtuse about the book because it was helping him so much to do well in school, but it should have been fucking obivious as hell who it had previously belonged to. Did Hermione actually see it? She's usually on top of those sorts of things.

2.) This was pointed out in a locked post, so I can't link to it, but I read a really, really pissed off rant about the sudden Tonks/Lupin love match. The poster was irate that such a blatant sign that said "Remus Lupin is a heterosexual" needed to be put in the book, especially given all of the subversive evidence to the contrary in other books.

3.) The Snape theory in Mircalla's journal above is being fleshed out in the comments. There's an interesting observation that if Harry is an inadvertent Horcrux, Ginny may also be one from events in CoS, which may bring a new definition to the word "soulmate."

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
1.) Why didn't Harry recognize Snape's handwriting in the potions book? I'm thinking that Harry was being deliberately obtuse about the book because it was helping him so much to do well in school, but it should have been fucking obivious as hell who it had previously belonged to. Did Hermione actually see it? She's usually on top of those sorts of things.

2.) This was pointed out in a locked post, so I can't link to it, but I read a really, really pissed off rant about the sudden Tonks/Lupin love match. The poster was irate that such a blatant sign that said "Remus Lupin is a heterosexual" needed to be put in the book, especially given all of the subversive evidence to the contrary in other books.

3.) The Snape theory in Mircalla's journal above is being fleshed out in the comments. There's an interesting observation that if Harry is an inadvertent Horcrux, Ginny may also be one from events in CoS, which may bring a new definition to the word "soulmate."

If Harry was (note use of past tense here) a horcrux, and I believe he was, then the portion of Voldemort's soul that was in Harry was (i) placed there inadvertantly; (ii) has been used already; and (iii) explains why Vlodemort had to use Harry's blood to restore himself in Goblet of Fire.

As for Snape, I think he knew at the time he made the unbreakable vow that he would wind up killing Dumbledore. I also tend to think that Dumbledore knew he would be killed retreiving one of the Horcuxes.

I still haven't figured out Snape. Part of me is sure he is aligned with the Order because he believes he is superior to Voldemort. Another part of me thinks that those who believe that Dumbeldore was pleading with Snape to kill him to save the soul of Draco are right and that Snape is as dedicated to a higher purpose as Dumbledore.

Finally, three last thoughts:

1. Isn't it interesting that of the four Black siblings, many now think that the males, Regulus and Sirius were aligned with good and the female siblings, Narcissa and Bella, are aligned with evil?

2. I would be willing to bet that in order to kill Voldemort, Harry and Draco will be forced to become allies.

3. Hank is insisting that Snape is a good guy because he identifies so strongly with him.

[mommylawyer]

Originally posted by taxwonk
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As for Snape, I think he knew at the time he made the unbreakable vow that he would wind up killing Dumbledore. I also tend to think that Dumbledore knew he would be killed retreiving one of the Horcuxes.

I still haven't figured out Snape. Part of me is sure he is aligned with the Order because he believes he is superior to Voldemort. Another part of me thinks that those who believe that Dumbeldore was pleading with Snape to kill him to save the soul of Draco are right and that Snape is as dedicated to a higher purpose as Dumbledore.

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i recently read a very interesting discussion that essentially allowed for snape to make the unbreakable vow because it would cost him nothing....essentially it refers back to Snape forst lesson, I believe, in SS, where he referenced being able to make a potion that was a death stopper...not bring you back to life, but basically buy you some time. the author then went on to hypothsize that Dumbledore would have been killed by the spell on Morfin's ring, but thanks to Snape, as Dumbledore himself says, his death has been stoppered (the decaying hand). The author says this explains DD's sudden change in his behavior towards Harry, the private lessons, taking Harry to convince Slughorn etc... He only has a limited amount of time to teach Harry about the horcruxes in a way that isn't completely overwhelming etc... This article also discussed Slughorn as being Draco's inside help that was 'better than Crabbe and Goyle'. I'll see if I can find the link... I thought it was quite thought provoking. I am no sure if I yet believe DD is dead, but if he is, i don't think it was the avada kedavra, i think I now think Snape simply unstoppered him and thats what cause the atypical reaction to the avada kedavra....

I still think Snape is good......and 'killing' DD was his method of going deep undercover.