All Hank, all the time.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
If you were to click on the Yahoo! story RT linked to, you would see that it suggests that the "sensitive intelligence information about Iraq" referenced was *not* Valerie Plame's identity.

What was it then?

Of course, the Yahoo article offers nothing. Just a bold, smearing statement.

My god, you don't think it was Bush that leaked the "Feds are wiretapping terrorists?" story to the NYTimes?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think we need more details on this. Can't throw out a teaser like that and then not expect to elaborate.

Hurricane Rita.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What was it then?

Of course, the Yahoo article offers nothing. Just a bold, smearing statement.

My god, you don't think it was Bush that leaked the "Feds are wiretapping terrorists?" story to the NYTimes?

The court filing is here.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What was it then?

Of course, the Yahoo article offers nothing. Just a bold, smearing statement.

My god, you don't think it was Bush that leaked the "Feds are wiretapping terrorists?" story to the NYTimes?

Since he was talking to Judy Miller, it was probably WMD-related. From the slightly more detailed AP story on the NYT's website:

• The authorization involving intelligence information came as the Bush administration faced mounting criticism about its failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the main reason the president and his aides had given for going to war.
  
  Libby's participation in a critical conversation with Miller on July 8, 2003 ''occurred only after the vice president advised defendant that the president specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the National Intelligence Estimate,'' the papers by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald stated. The filing did not specify the ''certain information.''
  
  ''Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with reporter Miller -- getting approval from the president through the vice president to discuss material that would be classified but for that approval -- were unique in his recollection,'' the papers added.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Since he was talking to Judy Miller, it was probably WMD-related. From the slightly more detailed AP story on the NYT's website:

• The authorization involving intelligence information came as the Bush administration faced mounting criticism about its failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the main reason the president and his aides had given for going to war.
  
  Libby's participation in a critical conversation with Miller on July 8, 2003 ''occurred only after the vice president advised defendant that the president specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the National Intelligence Estimate,'' the papers by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald stated. The filing did not specify the ''certain information.''
  
  ''Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with reporter Miller -- getting approval from the president through the vice president to discuss material that would be classified but for that approval -- were unique in his recollection,'' the papers added.

so they leaked "intelligence" at a time when they knew it was wrong. And the harm in leaking intelligence at a time when they knew it was wrong is.............?

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
The court filing is here.

So the claim is that they declassified information to refute all the bullshit being spouted by "Lyin" Joe Wilson.

Again - there is no story here.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so they leaked "intelligence" at a time when they knew it was wrong. And the harm in leaking intelligence at a time when they knew it was wrong is.............?

Not sure I follow you, Hank.

[Replaced_Texan]

Jesus authorized Judas to disclose information to the Romans:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Lost for almost 1,700 years, a manuscript entitled "Gospel of Judas" is putting a new spin on the case of the biblical bad guy, maintaining that Jesus actually asked disciple Judas to betray him.

The third- or fourth-century ancient Coptic manuscript -- authenticated, translated and displayed Thursday at National Geographic headquarters here -- paints a different picture of Judas and Jesus.

The papyrus manuscript known as a codex maintains, as the bible does not, that Jesus requested that Judas "betray" him by handing him to authorities, something it says pained Judas greatly.

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence," said Terry Garcia, executive vice president for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society.

Bummer about the suicide, man. I always liked you best in Jesus Christ Superstar.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So the claim is that they declassified information to refute all the bullshit being spouted by "Lyin" Joe Wilson.

Again - there is no story here.

Respectfully disagree. Not as to the main point you are making (Bush had nothing to do with outing Plame, and she wasn't really "outed," and anyway her husband is a political hack who was just trying to make Bush look bad), but there *is* a story here. It is (more sections of the AP story:

• But the disclosure in documents filed Wednesday means that the president and the vice president put Libby in play as a secret provider of information to reporters about prewar intelligence on Iraq.
  
  ********
  
  Libby's testimony also puts the president and the vice president in the awkward position of authorizing leaks -- a practice both men have long said they abhor, so much so that the administration has put in motion criminal investigations to hunt down leakers.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So the claim is that they declassified information to refute all the bullshit being spouted by "Lyin" Joe Wilson.

Again - there is no story here.

The "claim" is that Libby perjured himself. I confess I don't understand how this declassification stuff relates to the claim.

The "story" is that Bush, while on the one hand complaining about leaks, is on the other hand declassifying national-security information in order to feed it to sympathetic journalists. It both exposes the way his admininistration is abusing the classification of sensitive information, and (again) reflects the sort of deception that got us into the war.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Not sure I follow you, Hank.

the leaked info was about WMD- I presume tending to indicate it was in Iraq. When it was not found they leaked information that had caused them to think it would be there- what value was that information then? it was wrong. other than possibly the source shouldn't it have been declassified?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the leaked info was about WMD- I presume tending to indicate it was in Iraq. When it was not found they leaked information that had caused them to think it would be there- what value was that information then? it was wrong. other than possibly the source shouldn't it have been declassified?

From the thingy that Gatti linked to: "The Fitzgerald filing also notes that Libby told grand jurors that he conferred with David Addington, Cheney's counsel, about the leak directive and that Addington told him 'that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document.' "

From the actual court filing: "[Libby] further testified that he at first advised the Vice President that he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the classified nature of the NIE. Defendant [i.e., Libby] testified that the Vice President later advised him that the President had authorized defendant to disclose the relevant portions of the NIE. Defendant also testified that he spoke to David Addington, then Counsel to the Vice President, whom defendant considered to be a legal expert in national security law, and Mr. Addington opined that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document."

Does unwritten, third-hand notification of the President's authorizing release of information cause it to be declassified?

ETA here is a link to the relevant portion of the filing: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0406061libby6.html because I can't figure out how to cut and paste and the paragraph after the link is interesting as to the questions of (a) whether this method of declassification works and (b) whether disclosing to Miller and only Miller was really "public."

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the leaked info was about WMD- I presume tending to indicate it was in Iraq. When it was not found they leaked information that had caused them to think it would be there- what value was that information then? it was wrong. other than possibly the source shouldn't it have been declassified?

Ah, gotcha.

Yeah, I don't think that it was wrong in that sense. I see it as a big "so-what?" substantively. It's news (but not Big News) in that it shows a certain level of hypocrisy. There was, according to Libby's testimony, direct authorization by the president and vice president of a leak of an NIE to a sympathetic reporter -- by an administration in which leaks were verboten.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nice use of hyperbole.

"Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors President Bush authorized the leak of sensitive intelligence information about Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA leak case"

By no one's estimation - no fucking one - was the "naming" of Valerie Plame a leak of "sensitive information about Iraq"

Give me a fucking break.

Let me get this straight:

You think it's a good thing if Bush authorized a leak of sensitive intelligence information about Iraq, as long as he did not authorize a leak of Plame's identity?

Huh.

Is that because the part about her identity was at least true?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
From the thingy that Gatti linked to: "The Fitzgerald filing also notes that Libby told grand jurors that he conferred with David Addington, Cheney's counsel, about the leak directive and that Addington told him 'that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document.' "

From the actual court filing: "[Libby] further testified that he at first advised the Vice President that he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the classified nature of the NIE. Defendant [i.e., Libby] testified that the Vice President later advised him that the President had authorized defendant to disclose the relevant portions of the NIE. Defendant also testified that he spoke to David Addington, then Counsel to the Vice President, whom defendant considered to be a legal expert in national security law, and Mr. Addington opined that Presidential authorization to publicly disclose a document amounted to a declassification of the document."

Does unwritten, third-hand notification of the President's authorizing release of information cause it to be declassified?

did you see the photo of the "cyclops" kitten on Foxnews.com? it's gross.