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06-19-2006, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
So it is okay that they called something that they wouldn't normally call because the guy was taking the team to school earlier? Huh. I thought you were the guy who hates the preferential treatment given to name players. Did you see the foul calling to open the 3rd? What led to Avery Johnson's technical? Because even the announcers were picking up on the discrepancy in the calling. I'm not saying that changed the game, but the called foul with 1.9 clearly did. And I completely agree about free throws (in fact, I think I've said so in 2 posts today). Dallas lost the game last night at the line. The bad call at the end clinched it.
BTW, I didn't see Stackhouse's foul on Shaq (I was lucky enough to actually have a prior commitment that kept me from watching the disgrace that was game 4), but in your opinion was it suspension-worthy? Or was it done b/c it was a hard foul on Shaq? Because I've seen him throw a Maverick or two (airborn) in this series, but not get so much as a flagrent call. Just curious. I don't really watch enough b'ball to know what is and is not suspension-worthy.
I still have hope that it will be Mavs in 7. Though after this season, I will probably retire from watching NBA. This multi-game playoff format is just too stressful for me. Single elimination, baby. That is where it is at. NFL. NCAA.
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I didn't think the foul suspension-worthy, but it was a pretty cheap shot.
The preferential star treatment, plus the subjectiveness of what is/is not a foul, makes the NBA more subject to disgruntled fans than the NFL or baseball or hockey. And it's why you need to win away games before the last few minutes.
Do you think dads of NBA players still look at their son's teammates and think them ball hogs- like does Payton's dad think "Why doesn't that Wade just pass Gary the ball sometimes?"
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06-19-2006, 04:46 PM
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#92
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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Wait, are you saying that it's OK for the ref to go straight to red in first half stoppage time when, but for the earlier red to De Rossi, he would have gone for the yellow? Especially with Pope already carrying a yellow? I thought you were the one who hates to see different standards applied based on earlier calls in the game . . .
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yes. it's better for the US to just get eliminated as soon as possible. That way the country doesn't get dragged alone into some false hope that we could actually get somewhere in this contest. Think how much better it would have been if the Serbian woman had simply told Spanky "no" right from the start.
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06-19-2006, 04:53 PM
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School's Out.
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
So it is okay that they called something that they wouldn't normally call because the guy was taking the team to school earlier? Huh. I thought you were the guy who hates the preferential treatment given to name players.
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No. I must have said three times now that it was a bullshit call. Do I have to say I'm against bullshit calls?
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Did you see the foul calling to open the 3rd? What led to Avery Johnson's technical? Because even the announcers were picking up on the discrepancy in the calling.
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Did you just say "even the announcers?" That really doesn't mean much. But if you're talking about the fact that Miami took so many more foul shots, it's because they were aggressive, while Dallas was settling for jumpers. You don't get fouled much when you're shooting jumpers.
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
BTW, I didn't see Stackhouse's foul on Shaq (I was lucky enough to actually have a prior commitment that kept me from watching the disgrace that was game 4), but in your opinion was it suspension-worthy? Or was it done b/c it was a hard foul on Shaq? Because I've seen him throw a Maverick or two (airborn) in this series, but not get so much as a flagrent call. Just curious. I don't really watch enough b'ball to know what is and is not suspension-worthy.
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I think it was. To me (and to the refs, I think), intent is what is important. Did he intend to foul him hard to keep him from getting a shot off (and at least try to go for the ball?) or was he simply trying to cheap shot him without regard to potential injury?
Stackhouse led with his shoulder and then came across Shaq's face. It was clearly a cheap shot and any player in any court in this country would have fought over it. I'm no Shaq fan and he uses his elbows and strength to move people around all the time. But I don't think I've ever seen him do something like that. His cheap shots are to get people off of him or to create space for a dunk.
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I still have hope that it will be Mavs in 7. Though after this season, I will probably retire from watching NBA. This multi-game playoff format is just too stressful for me. Single elimination, baby. That is where it is at. NFL. NCAA.
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I like the multi-game format, but I think the first round should be five games again and all other playoff games should be squeezed into a much shorter time frame.
But the NBA playoffs will never match the NCAAs. Hell, neither does the NFL and I love those playoffs too. But this year, the playoffs have been pretty good. Lots of exciting, close games.
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06-19-2006, 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
yes. it's better for the US to just get eliminated as soon as possible. That way the country doesn't get dragged alone into some false hope that we could actually get somewhere in this contest. Think how much better it would have been if the Serbian woman had simply told Spanky "no" right from the start.
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but we're dealing with brazilian women here. The crowd shots will turn ESPN into a legal, free porn channel. Why would you not want that?
And straight red was BS; Pope's second was marginal, but not right after a straight red.
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06-19-2006, 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I like the multi-game format, but I think the first round should be five games again and all other playoff games should be squeezed into a much shorter time frame.
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Has any league anywhere ever contracted the playoffs? I'm not saying I disagree, but playoff games are like crack to the owners. More more more.
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06-19-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
but we're dealing with brazilian women here. The crowd shots will turn ESPN into a legal, free porn channel. Why would you not want that?
And straight red was BS; Pope's second was marginal, but not right after a straight red.
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Theory espoused by colleague: The ref forgot that Pope was carrying a yellow. I do not recall, but he said there was a long delay after pulling out the yellow card, and the Italian players confronted the ref and the ref pulled out his book, saw Pope already had a yellow, and only then pulled out the red. Still, if that is the case, it is inexcusable not knowing who on the field already has a yellow.
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06-19-2006, 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Theory espoused by colleague: The ref forgot that Pope was carrying a yellow. I do not recall, but he said there was a long delay after pulling out the yellow card, and the Italian players confronted the ref and the ref pulled out his book, saw Pope already had a yellow, and only then pulled out the red. Still, if that is the case, it is inexcusable not knowing who on the field already has a yellow.
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Theory espoused by me: The ref was suspended in 2002 for suspicion of corruption. Italian soccer is rife with corruption. The world cup is in Germany, where corrupt soccer refs grow on trees.
That, or the guy had no clue. Unfortunately, the one good call took away what would have been (but for a fairly obvious offsides) a winning goal. Why don't they let the players decide it on the field, rather than calling bs offsides and such?
ETA: If half the Italian side knows he has a yellow, how can the ref not know too?
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06-19-2006, 05:20 PM
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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Theory espoused by me: The ref was suspended in 2002 for suspicion of corruption. Italian soccer is rife with corruption. The world cup is in Germany, where corrupt soccer refs grow on trees.
That, or the guy had no clue. Unfortunately, the one good call took away what would have been (but for a fairly obvious offsides) a winning goal. Why don't they let the players decide it on the field, rather than calling bs offsides and such?
ETA: If half the Italian side knows he has a yellow, how can the ref not know too?
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Does Germany take it light tomorrow and gear up for England, or do we play full-bore and hope to play Sweden? |
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06-19-2006, 05:36 PM
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Does Germany take it light tomorrow and gear up for England, or do we play full-bore and hope to play Sweden?
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Go for the win. Win the group. You're the host country -- go hard every game. You'll be out soon enough.
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06-19-2006, 05:48 PM
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blocked. dammit.
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06-19-2006, 06:03 PM
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Pretty Little Flower
Go for the win. Win the group. You're the host country -- go hard every game. You'll be out soon enough.
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When we play Argentina...then maybe, yup. |
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06-19-2006, 06:07 PM
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TM seems to be in first place.
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Whether you need a laugh or not, you ain't eatin no cat food cake off my naked body.
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06-19-2006, 06:10 PM
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Whether you need a laugh or not, you ain't eatin no cat food cake off my naked body.
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OK, that made me laugh. Good job! Gold star! |
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06-19-2006, 06:14 PM
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Hell, nothing really surprises me that much anymore, but damn...
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