Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[andViolins]

State panel backs disputed lesson, infuriates supporters of evolution

Columbus - The State Board of Education gave preliminary approval Tuesday to a 10th-grade biology lesson that scientists say could put "intelligent design" in Ohio classrooms.

Setting aside an impassioned plea from the National Academy of Sciences, the board voted 13-4 to declare its intent to adopt the "Critical Analysis of Evolution" lesson next month.

The academy warned that doing so would give a green light to teaching intelligent design, the idea that life is so complex that a higher being must have created it.


The disputed lesson plan has thrust Ohio back into the middle of a national fight over how to best teach the origins and development of life on Earth to public school children.

That fight is between supporters and critics of Charles Darwin's theory that life evolved through natural processes, a battle that has raged since the "monkey trial" of biology teacher John Scopes nearly 80 years ago.

"It's a sad day for science in Ohio," said Patricia Princehouse, who teaches biological evolution at Case Western Reserve University. "This opens up the reputation of Ohio scientists to ridicule nationally and internationally."

http://www.cleveland.com/debate/inde...5549160490.xml

You can review this disputed lesson plan here:

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/academic_...0Evolution.pdf

What is interesting is that in the plan, teachers are given weblinks for students to use when researching the "critical analysis" of evolution. One of the links is:

www.origins.org

Which, setting aside the fact that it is a site arguing for Intelligent Design, has a link to www.leaderu.com -- a site that is part of the "telling the truth project." What is the "telling the truth project?" Let's take a look:

"Telling the Truth is an ongoing Internet-based strategy pioneered by Christian Leadership Ministries (CLM), designed to pool the best of Christian scholarship and propel it to a global audience. Working together, CLM and our WebPartners present unique resources to a lost and confused world. From homosexuality to origins to theology and apologetics--millions of Internet users are confronted with thousands of messages from a biblical worldview. Through Telling the Truth sites, the gospel takes its rightful place among thought-provoking ideas related to today's burning issues. "

http://www.clm.org/ttt/what.html

Can somebody explain to me again why ANY of this should be part of a public school education?

aV

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by andViolins
State panel backs disputed lesson, infuriates supporters of evolution

Columbus - The State Board of Education gave preliminary approval Tuesday to a 10th-grade biology lesson that scientists say could put "intelligent design" in Ohio classrooms.

Setting aside an impassioned plea from the National Academy of Sciences, the board voted 13-4 to declare its intent to adopt the "Critical Analysis of Evolution" lesson next month.

The academy warned that doing so would give a green light to teaching intelligent design, the idea that life is so complex that a higher being must have created it.


The disputed lesson plan has thrust Ohio back into the middle of a national fight over how to best teach the origins and development of life on Earth to public school children.

That fight is between supporters and critics of Charles Darwin's theory that life evolved through natural processes, a battle that has raged since the "monkey trial" of biology teacher John Scopes nearly 80 years ago.

"It's a sad day for science in Ohio," said Patricia Princehouse, who teaches biological evolution at Case Western Reserve University. "This opens up the reputation of Ohio scientists to ridicule nationally and internationally."

http://www.cleveland.com/debate/inde...5549160490.xml

You can review this disputed lesson plan here:

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/academic_...0Evolution.pdf

What is interesting is that in the plan, teachers are given weblinks for students to use when researching the "critical analysis" of evolution. One of the links is:

www.origins.org

Which, setting aside the fact that it is a site arguing for Intelligent Design, has a link to www.leaderu.com -- a site that is part of the "telling the truth project." What is the "telling the truth project?" Let's take a look:

"Telling the Truth is an ongoing Internet-based strategy pioneered by Christian Leadership Ministries (CLM), designed to pool the best of Christian scholarship and propel it to a global audience. Working together, CLM and our WebPartners present unique resources to a lost and confused world. From homosexuality to origins to theology and apologetics--millions of Internet users are confronted with thousands of messages from a biblical worldview. Through Telling the Truth sites, the gospel takes its rightful place among thought-provoking ideas related to today's burning issues. "

http://www.clm.org/ttt/what.html

Can somebody explain to me again why ANY of this should be part of a public school education?

aV

I expect this shit from Georgia. Not from Ohio. This country is officially insane.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I like it so much, I'm going make it my signature:

"We do not need to divide America over who served and how."

-John Kerry in 1992

Is Kerry attacking Bush's service or is it other Dems?

I really don't know the answer to this so don't assume any smart-alecity in my question.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Is Kerry attacking Bush's service or is it other Dems?

I really don't know the answer to this so don't assume any smart-alecity in my question.

At this point, its worth it only to attack Bush. But Kerry hasn't been doing it--he's been letting McAuliffe and the media feed the frenzy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Is Kerry attacking Bush's service or is it other Dems?

I really don't know the answer to this so don't assume any smart-alecity in my question.

regardless, Kerry should express the same sentiment, shouldn't he?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
regardless, Kerry should express the same sentiment, shouldn't he?

What do you mean? That he still should tell people not to attack based on military service? If so, then I probably agree.

Unfortunately, while it's not really an issue for intelligent people, it's a huge issue for middle America (hi Bilmore!).

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Is Kerry attacking Bush's service or is it other Dems?

I really don't know the answer to this so don't assume any smart-alecity in my question.

He's not attacking it, but he keeps bringing it up - its "All I know is I was a war hero - I'm not going to comment on the war service of the president" which is just as good at this point. It's a nice, subtle move for him.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
What do you mean? That he still should tell people not to attack based on military service? If so, then I probably agree.

Unfortunately, while it's not really an issue for intelligent people, it's a huge issue for middle America (hi Bilmore!).

that way he be seen as giving on an issue that will turn out meaningless anyway.

[sgtclub]

http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article357339.html

[wanted to put troops under UN and other radical leanings]

Question: who is putting this out, Dean's people, Edward's people, or Rove?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article357339.html

[wanted to put troops under UN and other radical leanings]

Question: who is putting this out, Dean's people, Edward's people, or Rove?

Doesn't Al Gore have connections there?

But good lord are we holding him to what he thought in 1970?

If so, I suggest the war on drugs is dead

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I saw that story in the LA times today, and thought it was one of the more interesting stories in any of the papers I look at.

While I don't like the idea that *someone* had to be singled out for this example, I honestly hope that this is a story that parents and teachers everywhere can use to teach kids about the dangers of lying.

Although, kids these days are smart. They might just see it as the dangers of coming clean.

The girls sent some poor bastard to jail for 8 months. Toss them in a holding tank for a little while and they'll learn why it isn't nice to send someone to prison for no reason.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
But good lord are we holding him to what he thought in 1970?
If so, I suggest the war on drugs is dead

No, I'm just curious as to the source.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
No, I'm just curious as to the source.

archival search by eager freshman?

or ask

ETA: And if it's a plant, the Crimson!?! That's a pretty subtle way to get the point out there. Even if you do tell them to call Robert Reich and an NY Times writer for comments. If you have those connections, why not tell a real news source--why would that source run with the issue once it's in the Crimson, but not do it themselves immediately?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

But good lord are we holding him to what he thought in 1970?

Burger right Club, let's forget about what he did as a kid.
How bout this, his office is contacting Iran promising he'll be more co-operative with the Mullahs:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/archives/...&Cat=2&Num=026

Kerry Says He Will Repair Damage If He Wins Election


WASHINGTON (Mehr News Agency) -- The office of Senator John Kerry, the frontrunner in the Democratic presidential primary in the U.S., sent the Mehr News Agency an e-email saying that Kerry will try to repair the damage done by the incumbent president if he wins the election. The text of the e-mail follows.

As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas, we have personally witnessed the high regard with which people around the world have historically viewed the United States. Sadly, we are also painfully aware of how the actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at risk..........

It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country's credibility in the eyes of the world. America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others............



An understanding of global affairs is essential in these times, and central to this campaign Kerry has the experience and the understanding necessary to successfully restore the United States to its position of respect within the community of nations. He has the judgment and vision necessary to assure that the United States fulfills a leadership role in meeting the challenges we face throughout the world.

The guy wants to patch things up with Iran. burger, is it fair to comment on this?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

The guy wants to patch things up with Iran. burger, is it fair to comment on this?

Sure, and if he reavows his 1970 interview, let's bring it up too.