Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You failed to denounce Duke when I mentioned him, you racist.

Did he pay $10 to see a movie David made?

Your big umbrella party leaks in some dirty water. We look and can't believe you find it okay. Maybe you've learn to shower efficiently.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Did he pay $10 to see a movie David made?

Your big umbrella party leaks in some dirty water. We look and can't believe you find it okay. Maybe you've learn to shower efficiently.

In 2001, Moore was a Green, and complained that the Dems and GOP were too alike. So go find some Greens to carp at.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In 2001, Moore was a Green, and complained that the Dems and GOP were too alike. So go find some Greens to carp at.

shoot! you win. i forgot you guys are chronologically selective. that's how byrd can be your good guy/

[Fair and Equitable]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You failed to denounce Duke when I mentioned him, you racist.

It's funny that you attack him for not responding to your post (which was an obvious attempt to change the focus) without actually responding to his factual support of Rove's statement. Any idiot can find some dumbass who has said something stupid, (see, e.g., posts by Hank), but Slave pointed to what was (and in many circles still is) a leading figure in the liberal movement. The best you can do is point to someone who has always been denigrated by Republicans (as well as Democrats). Why not prove him wrong by showing that liberals didn't do what Rove said they did? While you are at it, here are some more quotes from liberals for you to explain:

"In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who's suffering. [But we must also think about] the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It's all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see [the terrorists] as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better." -- Richard Gere

"Melt their weapons, melt their hearts, melt their anger with love." -- Shirley MacLaine on her anti-terrorism policy

"In a war on Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden will either be left alive, while thousands of impoverished, frightened people are bombed into oblivion around him, or he will be killed in a bombing attack for which he seems quite prepared. But what would happen to his cool armor if he could be reminded of all the good, nonviolent things he has done? Further, what would happen to him if he could be brought to understand the preciousness of the lives he has destroyed? I firmly believe the only punishment that works is love." -- Alice Walker, The Village Voice

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Slave pointed to what was (and in many circles still is) a leading figure in the liberal movement. The best you can do is point to someone who has always been denigrated by Republicans (as well as Democrats). Why not prove him wrong by showing that liberals didn't do what Rove said they did?

Nice sock.

Moore is a professional entertainer who knows how to push buttons, not a political figure with any stature or constituency.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
David Duke wasn't given a seat of honor next to a former President at a party convention.

WMD. Iraq.

Lies. Fuck around all you like. Your boy lied. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. He gets a pass because people are too damned scared to plunge us into Watergate II.

You haven't argued a stitch of fucking substance in 15 months. I haven't seen you do shit but duck the issue or pick at some peripheral point to deflect facts which prove your boy a fucking liar. You're a Kool Aid swilling jackass exhibiting exactly the idiot "certitude" George Will savaged two weeks ago in a great column. I don't have the link handy, but Will's point was that conservatives have degraded into shrill idiots just like the liberal know it alls they hated for years. None of you debate anything. Arguing with any of you is pointless. You just strap in and when someone demands facts, you hit him back with some irrelevant quote from Michael fucking Moore, or you search for that one column among 20,000 which pretends to offer facts supporting the position that Bush didn't lie.

They fucking lied. They ruined a party I was a member of for years. I voted for W in 2000. I supported him. I was raised GOP through and through. These people are not GOP. They're fucking twisted ideologues. I agree with their "starve the beast" policy, but i don't see them practicing it. For every program cut, they create another more expensive program. I frankly don't know what this admin stands for other than a bunch of angry reactive lunatics trying to throw the country into upheaval. There's no plan. Its just a disparate pile of wild policies cobbled together by idiots like Bill Kristol, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cheney and every big business lobbyist who can fork over the cost of lunch. These idiots are debating fucking FLAG BURNING. WTF?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Spanky
What about their support of affirmative action?

100% no.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
According to the FBI stats, there were about 16,000 murders in the US in 2003. How many people do you think have died in Iraq since the war started? Do you think it's less than 50,000?

And do you ignore that the US has about 12 times as many people?

I do think it's less than 50,000, but that's still irrelevant. The point was where things are today, not over the last 2.5 years. How many people are dying in Iraq a month these days? 100? 200? 300? Let's say 300. That's 3,600 a year. I would guess that the murder rates in America's top 10 cities exceed that, but even if they don't, it's in the ball park. And we live in a country that is not fighting an insurgency (at least not violently) and has a stable democracy. We can even forget about the US as a whole. What's the annual murder rate in CA? Between LA and Oakland alone, it's probably between 700-800. Whole state, say 1200-1500.

Just trying to put things in perspective.

ETA: CA murders in 2002: 1842 http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/04/2...rnia.crime.ap/

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I do think it's less than 50,000, but that's still irrelevant.

A respected British medical journal, The Lancet, published a study which estimated the number of "excess deaths" in Iraq resulting from the war to range from 8,000 to 194,000, with 95 percent confidence that the actual death toll was at least 98,000.

If you want to learn more, you can see this Australian blogger's posts on the subject. Be warned that the stuff is statistics-intensive.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
A respected British medical journal, The Lancet, published a study which estimated the number of "excess deaths" in Iraq resulting from the war to range from 8,000 to 194,000, with 95 percent confidence that the actual death toll was at least 98,000.

If you want to learn more, you can see this Australian blogger's posts on the subject. Be warned that the stuff is statistics-intensive.

So the population was much better off when they were getting gassed? How come people focus so much on death in war, and not on deaths caused by despotic governments. More people were killed by their own government in the last century than died in warfare. It seems to me if people in the last century had spent more time trying to avoid despotic governments (especially communists one) than trying to avoid war that the last century would have been much less bloody.

[Fair and Equitable]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Nice sock.

Moore is a professional entertainer who knows how to push buttons, not a political figure with any stature or constituency.

No sock just a long-time lurker and first-time poster, just check the created on date. But, as is your habit, you refuse to respond to the substance and instead shift the topic. Does that work for you in your legal career?

That said, generally you're a better debater than Sebby, who seems to have the standard liberal responses programmed in on his keybroad.

Sebby's Keyboard

F1: Bush Lies!
F2: Haliburton!
F3: No WMDs!
F4: Make love not war!
etc.

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
F1: Bush Lies!
F2: Haliburton!
F3: No WMDs!

Truth hurts.

[Sparklehorse]

Originally posted by Spanky
How come people focus so much on death in war, and not on deaths caused by despotic governments.

Harder to count. Do you think North Korea's keeping track and sending the stats over to ICRC?

Originally posted by Spanky
More people were killed by their own government in the last century than died in warfare.

Cite please?

Originally posted by Spanky It seems to me if people in the last century had spent more time trying to avoid despotic governments (especially communists one) than trying to avoid war that the last century would have been much less bloody.

Would you care to elaborate about how to do this?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It is quite the accomplishment to annoy me, even a little bit. You kind of have.

I can't ignore a mod without going to an admin and getting them to set it up. I just tried to put sebby on ignore and got a message saying I can't ignore mods/admins. But you are correct, I can have that done. Happily Iron Steve is not a mod or an admin. Unhappily people seem to quote his photoshopped crapola.

Why you wanna play me like that?

Now I'm sad. And. Angstridden.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Is this were the real Penske, making a real penske comeback, I think those of us who know, know that the first Hillary photoshop would have been something quite a bit better. Nice try NFH, but I know penske and you are no penske.

Hank, mi amigo, chupame la polla!!!

Better?

eta: merde! wrong sock!