Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by bilmore
Tactically, this is poor. These kinds of stories are far more valuable when raised days before the election, like the DWI thing was.

I disagree. There is some value to it coming out now. I mean, when the sexual abuse allegations came out about Schwarzenegger just before the recall election some saw it as a big deal, but AS defused it by saying he would commission an independent investigation after the election (which he then refused to do after he won). By focusing on this now they avoid the possibility that the admin could stall until after the facts would do no good. I mean, we've already seen that Bush's pledge that he would release "all the docs" has turned into "we won't open up his files to general inspection, but here is a new document we found which seems to support our point."

Again, I reiterate that as the info stands now this doesn't seem like a good use of Dem airtime. However, I reserve the right to get all shrill and sanctimonious should additional facts come to light...

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
People are just getting tired of this kind of digging around for 30 year old stories about sex and drugs.

Do you even live in America?

I heard Michael Powell say on the radio this morning that the Janet Jackson thing was the most shameful (paraphrasing there) thing to happen on TV ever. I guess he's not watching Rupert Murdoch's channel --- professional courtesy? He went on to say that the FCC should also be allowed to levy indecency fines on cable and satellite "because" 85% of American households receive TV through this transmission method. I repeat: "because" 85% of Americans choose to pay for TV instead of receiving it for free over the publicly-owned airwaves.

Is there anyone left in the GOP who actually believes the shit the people on this board spout about how markets are the best way to resolve conflicts? Memo to Michael Powell --- the market has spoken, so get the fuck out.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Do you even live in America?

Another fine contender for Board Motto.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Report: Bush Plans to Endorse Marriage Amendment {Yahoo News. Harmless link, unless you care about internal consistency on the division between state and federal power.}

I hope that we act quickly to amend the constitution before the MA Supreme Court forces the state's legislature to allow polygamous marriages.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Do you even live in America?

Yes, and the Americans that I know are not interested in 30 year old stories about sex and drugs. Just like Californians didn't hold Arnold's wild past against him.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Understood. I guess what I find odd is that "proving" bush skipped out b/c he was high presumes you can prove he was skipping out at all. IF that's proven, showing it's because he was worried about a drug test is probably a small detail that won't really matter in light of his previous assertions and their then-proven falsity.

Otherwise what you're left with isa n hypothesis that bush was on drugs (reasonable), which provides motivation for skipping out on duty. But there are plenty of motivations for skipping out on duty, none of which really matter to determining whether, in fact, he did. In short, innuendo he was on drugs doesn't do much in the way of proof of desertion more than commanders saying they don't remember him.

The drugs aren't proof of desertion. We already know he skipped the physical and was suspended. For good reason, that doesn't bug many people. But if we later find out that he skipped the physical (and thus couldn't fly) because he had been using drugs, I just think that raises the hypocrisy of saying "I did my duty" to a much higher level. To me, it's much more than us knowing that GWB used to party in his younger days.

Of course, I can't see any way to conclusively prove the drug allegation, so it is probably a waste of time for me to split hairs like this over a hypothetical situation.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
I hope that we act quickly to amend the constitution before the MA Supreme Court forces the state's legislature to allow polygamous marriages.

Being ahead of the political curve is exhilarating stuff, until you look behind you and see noone there.

Don't worry -- I've heard that the Polygamist Cabal Dedicated To Usurping Your Tax Dollars Through Recognized Marriages doesn't have their annual meeting in Provo until October at the earliest. So you still have plenty of time.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Not Me
Yes, and the Americans that I know are not interested in 30 year old stories about sex and drugs. Just like Californians didn't hold Arnold's wild past against him.

So you think the California electorate is a good indicator of what the rest of the country thinks? Uh, okay.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Usurping Your Tax Dollars Through Recognized Marriages

Exactly. Gay marriage isn't about marriage it is about money- social security and other government and employer-sponsored benefits for spouses.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
So you think the California electorate is a good indicator of what the rest of the country thinks? Uh, okay.

What I think is that CA is a hard-core Democratic state and the voters here were willing to elect a Repub with a bad past. Not just drug use, but sexual harassment. In one case, I heard people throwing around the term sexual assault.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
Exactly. Gay marriage isn't about marriage it is about money- social security and other government and employer-sponsored benefits for spouses.

Atticus, even though the response was not an (apparent) attempt at humor, and reveals instead some sort of teeth-grating earnestness, I think the term still works.

Whiff.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
To me, it's much more than us knowing that GWB used to party in his younger days.

I agree that it is a bigger deal and if GWB wasn't an incumbent president with a good record so far, it would matter. Now if the economy goes south or Iraq explodes or if there is another major terrorist attack on US soil, it may matter.

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
Of course, I can't see any way to conclusively prove the drug allegation

I agree that proving the drug use allegation (as the reason he didn't show up for duty) would be difficult. I think if the Dems try to get alot of mileage out of it, it will backfire because people will eventually tire of hearing allegations that cannot be proven.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
I don't want to have some of the stuff I engaged in in college held against me because it is irrelevant to who I am and what I do now.

READ: lesbian experimentation

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Not Me
What I think is that CA is a hard-core Democratic state and the voters here were willing to elect a Repub with a bad past. Not just drug use, but sexual harassment. In one case, I heard people throwing around the term sexual assault.

I don't see much of a point here. I would vote for a past of sexual escapades over Cruz Bustamante any day, and I'm a registered Dem. By the way, are you aware that more than 50% of the voters you purport to understand voted for someone other than AS?

[andViolins]

Originally posted by sgtclub
READ: lesbian experimentation

Really? I'm thinking MULTIPLE PARTNERS.

and butter.

aV