Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You also seem to miss the point that even a written living will is no more than hearsay evidence of then-existing state of mind. [Though it is much more reliable hearsay because it is written, notarized and signed.]

Side note only - this is why you want some form of durable power of attorney to accompany any living will document.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Public policy exception?

I know there is one, but how can you argue with a straight face that a public policy exception applies when you're talking about federal legislation designed to apply to only one person?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
One wonders what went wrong in the GOP judge reeducation workshop. Senator Frothy Mixture of Fecal Matter and Lube is gonna be pissssssed.

This Schiavo matter may have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I may have to change my registration.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This Schiavo matter may have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I may have to change my registration.

It is truly disgraceful. This whole affair sickens and disgusts me.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Do you think there should be a right to assisted suicide, or do you just disbelieve the evidence and finding that Terry Schiavo would have wanted to be taken off life support in these circumstances?

Do you think I really care one iota about this, other than seeing a few lefty posters on here getting their knickers in a twist?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This Schiavo matter may have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I may have to change my registration.

I suspect many blue-state Republicans feel this way, but I think Schiavo is all about emotional appeals to the red state base.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I know there is one, but how can you argue with a straight face that a public policy exception applies when you're talking about federal legislation designed to apply to only one person?

Me? Personally? I don't do anything with a straight face.

(Especially defending this new federal coup.)

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
One wonders what went wrong in the GOP judge reeducation workshop. Senator Frothy Mixture of Fecal Matter and Lube is gonna be pissssssed.

Whoa


I'm guessing that Justice Kennedy will be hearing shortly from the Schindler family.

I think this reflects the fact that judges have been struggling with these issues for a long time in case after anonymous case. I think the judiciary probably feels they've worked through many of the toughest issues and have a modus operandi of dealing with them.

We will see if there is any move now to start changing the modus operandi with legislation.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
Side note only - this is why you want some form of durable power of attorney to accompany any living will document.

Yes. My wife and I both have DHCPOAs (for each other) with living will directives written into the text.

(Interesting (to me) differences in the directives.)

Anyhow, while I disagree with you somewhat on the "where's the harm" analysis, RT has said it better so I'll remain still on that point.

I do think you are, for whatever reason, putting high value on the emotions and desires of the parents and low value on the emotions and desires of the husband. While I understand he's not a hard man to dislike, I have at least as much sympathy for his position as theirs. Perhaps because my kids are very young, I see this through the "What if it were my wife?" framework rather than the "What if it were my child?".

[NB: Schiavo's attorney says he is with his wife at the hospice, and intends to remain there until she dies. That sugests to me that he believes in what he's doing.]

I have a very good relationship with all of my in-laws, so I doubt this could ever happen in my family (plus we have DHCPOAs). But -- if she was ever in such a state, I would probably keep her around until past the time I'd lost all hope but couldn't admit it (probably in violation of her living will). Still I think 3-4 years -- as in this case -- would certainly do it.

Then, once I had decided, I'd see that her wishes were carried out. If her family tried to stop me, because they wanted to tend to her meat, I would do as I believed she had wished. After the first time they suggested I was in it for her life insurance policy, or had "abandoned" her, I would no longer feel bad about crushing them in a court of law.

As to why they didn't just walk away -- I think that's a question one can ask of the parents as well as the husband. I think you'd get the same answer.

S_A_M

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
He stole all my ideas (or at least ideas I stole from somewhere else). Can I sue him or something?

Over at the Becker/Posner blog, Gary Becker assesses the state of thinking about the relationship between political and economic freedoms:


Since both economic and political freedoms are highly valued, it is essential to understand how they interact as nations evolve. The history of different countries during the past century strongly indicates that economic freedoms over time typically push societies toward political freedoms. To take a few examples, South Korea, Taiwan, and Chile all started their economic development under military regimes. Korea and Taiwan both began freeing their economies around 1960 after centralized direction of their economies failed to produce economic growth. Chile began opening its economy under General Pinochet in 1981, also after his centralized approach to the Chilean economy failed. Within two decades, all three nations had achieved, or were moving rapidly toward, political democracies, with vibrant competition for elections among competing parties, and a mainly free press.

The path from political to economic freedom, by contrast, is slower and more uncertain. It took India over four decades to begin to loosen its extensive controls over private companies, labor markets, start-ups, imports from abroad, and numerous other activities. It still has a long way to go. Mexico has had a free press and considerable political freedom for a century or so, but economic freedoms did not begin to evolve until the latter part of the 1980’s. Israel has fierce competition among political parties, but continues to have an overly controlled economy.

Who knew Becker had such a big forehead?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This Schiavo matter may have been the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I may have to change my registration.

Welcome!

S_A_M

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Do you think I really care one iota about this, other than seeing a few lefty posters on here getting their knickers in a twist?

Ah. Well, color me embarrassed.

I didn't think of you as a troll before, but if that's your goal, consider it done. Have fun. Peace out.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Do you think I really care one iota about this, other than seeing a few lefty posters on here getting their knickers in a twist?

STP -- "righty", you mean.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Welcome!

S_A_M

To what?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I suspect many blue-state Republicans feel this way, but I think Schiavo is all about emotional appeals to the red state base.

Gallop did a poll - All groups, DEMS, GOP and Independents, polled believe by healthy margins that she shold be permitted to die.