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Atticus Grinch · 06-30-2003, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I have always thought that extending marriage to cover same-sex marriages was at its heart a conservative policy. Generally speaking, to embrace marriage and all its attendant encumbrances (fidelity, perhaps children, responsibility for another person etc) is to embrace a traditional, conservative way of life.

I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes sense. Binding relationships together with expensive legal barriers to breaking up; drafting private parties to guarantee the social welfare of youth. Marriage: The Original Unfunded Mandate.

Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 06-30-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes sense. Binding relationships together with expensive legal barriers to breaking up; drafting private parties to guarantee the social welfare of youth. Marriage: The Original Unfunded Mandate.

Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

Except for the fact that they see marriage to be the vehicle for procreation, and that binding the parents together by law helps advance the two-parent goal. Obviously, these same conservatives don't particularly favor permitting gay couples (married or not) to be parents.

greatwhitenorthchick · 06-30-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

Speaking of spooge, I saw an excellent title of a porn movie this weekend - "All That Jizz." How great is that.

purse junkie · 06-30-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by evenodds
Our mothers and aunts have already been informed of our wedding plans. We sat them all down a couple of years ago and said: "at some point, we'll be married and you are not invited to the ceremony."

Our families are great, but it's still more than we want to do. We have a little teensy religious problem, so everyone will be slightly offended by whatever we choose.

They still get to have their big receptions in their towns and in our town, but we don't want other people's pressures, expectations, and issues on the day we choose to legally begin our lives together.

On religious issues, I figured everyone *would* be a little offended by something, but that if they actually liked us they would have the courtesy to either shut the hell up and let us enjoy ourselves, or stay home. This worked great. But so would a ceremony without other people who won't leave their emotional baggage at home, so enjoy!

leagleaze · 06-30-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Out of curiousity, because I don't follow these things closely, other than Lawrence and Bowers, I'm sure there are other cases that didn't get to the S. Ct. involving sodomy statutes. Have any of them involved women, or is it always the boys the cops bust?

I believe, but am not sure, it is always the boys. The problem with the sodomy statutes isn't just that they made the sexual act illegal, it is that they were used as an excuse to discriminate in other ways. In Georgia for example, Bowers (of Bowers v Hardwick) fired a lesbian employee because she went through a committment ceremony, and therefore, he argued, presumptively, would be breaking the law so couldn't be expected to uphold it. They are also used to remove children, deny adoption rights and what have you.

The damage these laws caused is beyond calculation. Never mind the damage to ones psyche for knowing that one of the things that is an expression of what makes you who you are can get you arrested.

tax_hottie · 06-30-2003, 05:38 PM

Does anyone have any experience with these? I don't have AC in my apt. (God help me). Didn't think I'd need it in the PacNW, but we're having a scorcher of a summer here. I'm wondering if these work at all....

Here's an example:
http://www.compactappliances.com/sho...iProductID=832

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 06-30-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by tax_hottie
Does anyone have any experience with these? I don't have AC in my apt. (God help me). Didn't think I'd need it in the PacNW, but we're having a scorcher of a summer here. I'm wondering if these work at all....

Unless the S. ct. overruled the first law of thermodynamics (although given their sentiments against judicial activisim, I doubt it), you can't cool a room without venting the heat somewhere. These take hot dry air and make it slightly cooler, but much more humid air, by blowing the air through cold water. You're better off with a $10 fan or a real window airconditioner. Or just leave the refrigerator door open.

leagleaze · 06-30-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by tax_hottie
Does anyone have any experience with these? I don't have AC in my apt. (God help me). Didn't think I'd need it in the PacNW, but we're having a scorcher of a summer here. I'm wondering if these work at all....

Here's an example:
http://www.compactappliances.com/sho...iProductID=832

Can you buy a window unit instead and just put it in a window?

MisterEbola · 06-30-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by tax_hottie
Does anyone have any experience with these? I don't have AC in my apt. (God help me). Didn't think I'd need it in the PacNW, but we're having a scorcher of a summer here. I'm wondering if these work at all....

Here's an example:
http://www.compactappliances.com/sho...iProductID=832

This is an evaporative air cooler. Don't know where you are, but often folks do not recommend them in humid climates.

Anybody ever actually try to use an evaporative air cooler in places like D.C., Seattle, or Chicago?

greatwhitenorthchick · 06-30-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
I believe, but am not sure, it is always the boys.

I don't know about the US, but wasn't there an old old (like 1800s) case (in the UK, I think?) where they went after two lesbians but it was a fruitless endeavour because back then they decided lesbian sex couldn't exist because women weren't capable of having sex with each other? (needed a man) I'm having vague memories of studying this case at some point in school.

leagleaze · 06-30-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I don't know about the US, but wasn't there an old old (like 1800s) case (in the UK, I think?) where they went after two lesbians but it was a fruitless endeavour because back then they decided lesbian sex couldn't exist because women weren't capable of having sex with each other? (needed a man) I'm having vague memories of studying this case at some point in school.

I don't know of the case, but the Queen, Victoria I believe, insisted there was no reason to make sex between two women illegal, because women didn't do such things.

(Edited to say of course she didn't really say it, but for whatever reason, no lesbianism was not illegal in England. I do think it had something to do with the view that women don't do things like that, or rather, we won't even discuss the fact that women do things like that.)

Replaced_Texan · 06-30-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes sense. Binding relationships together with expensive legal barriers to breaking up; drafting private parties to guarantee the social welfare of youth. Marriage: The Original Unfunded Mandate.

Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

I am always amazed, absolutely amazed, that there are people in this world that have nothing better to do with their time and energy than to spout off about the evils of homosexuality. I can't imagine having so much free time that that's the only thing I could come up with to rile against. Yet there are entire organizations dedicated to warning the world against the evils of homosexuality. In these parts, they're called stuff like "Americans to Protect the Family" and they talk about how the family is just being destroyed *flutter hankerchief dramatically* because of homosexuality. I'm not exactly clear on that logical leap, but I'm impressed that they can spend so much energy on something that they profess to hate.

It occurs to me that if this whole "go to Candada and get married" thing falls into vogue by if-it-were-legal-they-would-have-done-it-long-ago gay couples, I'm going to have an onslaught of wedding presents to buy.

leagleaze · 06-30-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
It occurs to me that if this whole "go to Candada and get married" thing falls into vogue by if-it-were-legal-they-would-have-done-it-long-ago gay couples, I'm going to have an onslaught of wedding presents to buy.

Oh...shit. I'm so screwed now. I'm gonna have to spend a fortune. Between this and Vermont.

Ah well.

Bad_Rich_Chic · 06-30-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes sense. Binding relationships together with expensive legal barriers to breaking up; drafting private parties to guarantee the social welfare of youth. Marriage: The Original Unfunded Mandate.

I've always thought of it that way. The people who are threatening the sanctity of the family and barfing all over traditional values aren't the people who want to get married, whomever they want to marry - it is the people who drivel on about "what difference does a piece of paper make" but still want their friends to subsidize their china and blenders and insist on being invited around as a social unit rather than individually and separately like other unmarried people.

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Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

They should, but I think they view it more like partners do swarthy people buying a house next door to them.

Replaced_Texan · 06-30-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Except for the fact that they see marriage to be the vehicle for procreation, and that binding the parents together by law helps advance the two-parent goal. Obviously, these same conservatives don't particularly favor permitting gay couples (married or not) to be parents.

hhmmm... but think how the numbers of single mom households would fall if lesbians could get married...That statistic is something those family groups are always trying to lower.