Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[ThurgreedMarshall]

I think we were talking about this on the FB. I'm surprised at the decision.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/04/07/sc....ap/index.html

[spree: A divided Supreme Court upheld a state ban on cross burning, ruling Monday that the history of racial intimidation attached to this symbol outweighs the free speech protection of Ku Klux Klansmen]

TM

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
I doubt Liv Tyler is a size zero. She looks to be about an 8 to me. NTTAWWT. Mia Tyler is a plus-size model, and she is definitely "overweight." I think our society has placed such an emphasis lately on self-esteem that we have lost sight of what an ideal weight truly is. It's neither Skeletor nor Mia.

Forgive my ignorance, but is this size 0 thing a recent development? I've heard of it before, but it seems just, well -- weird. I mean, is it a recent response to the body nazi, anorexia/bulimia, fashion-magazine supermodel funhouse-mirror bodyimage bullshit?

I could see a size 1, but really, what type of figure is a size 0 supposed to fit? Calista Flockhart types? I guess what I'm trying to find out is how would a size zero, compare to an "average" woman with regard to height, weight, measurements, etc.

spooky(enquiring minds want to know)fish

Originally posted by purse junkie
yes, Ty gets major points for knocking over and smashing the (ugly, but whatever) focal point of Kia's room then swearing about Kia being a moron (not that she isn't one, but not for that reason). Aside from the sticks she glued on to the thing, wasn't Ty the one who built it?

Plus what gives with the 'art' on this show? If any nit can smush paint randomly on a canvas and convince the homeowner it's MOMA-worthy, why not just kill all the real artists so they dont' have to live to see that?

I am a TS addict -would not let either Hildi or Kia near my house. I'd like to sees Hildi's own house to see if she's imposed her self-important "style" there - any straw on the wall. Unlike the other designers neither of them seem to care about the homeowners tastes at all.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Questions about size zero

As a former adult size zero (and a neither tall nor short 5'4"), I can tell you that the body type that can wear a size zero at my height is really very thin and "unwomanly." Not always--some women truly are small boned and naturally thin. Also, some size charts are skewed (for example, some of my clothing is size 3-4 and some is 7-8--it is the sizing that is different, not me). But in terms of how a size zero compares to the "average" woman, the typical size zero looks like a high school student.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Forgive my ignorance, but is this size 0 thing a recent development? I've heard of it before, but it seems just, well -- weird. I mean, is it a recent response to the body nazi, anorexia/bulimia, fashion-magazine supermodel funhouse-mirror bodyimage bullshit?

I could see a size 1, but really, what type of figure is a size 0 supposed to fit? Calista Flockhart types? I guess what I'm trying to find out is how would a size zero, compare to an "average" woman with regard to height, weight, measurements, etc.

spooky(enquiring minds want to know)fish

Here's a link to J.Crew's size chart. Also, sizes now are cut bigger than they used to be--that is, a woman who is a size 10 now probably would've been a size 12 or so back in 1965-70--essentially in response to fattening American women getting pissed at the size labels which confirmed they were getting larger. Marilyn Monroe I believe was a size 10, so would've been a 12 or 14 today--in other words, she would never ever have been able to get a job.

Size 0 is for an incredibly tiny (no pun intended) of women naturally, but mostly for women on starvation diets or who abuse laxatives.

[purse junkie]

Sorry, didn't attach right first time:

http://www.jcrew.com/help.sniplets/sizing.jhtml

[robustpuppy]

spooky,

Size 0 is what's known as a vanity size. For most clothing manufacturers, what used to be a size 2 is now a size 0. It's not as if some previously unserved segment of the clothing-buying population has been discovered.

A few years ago I walked into a Banana Republic store and miraculously dropped a pants size. Me likey!

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Here's a link to J.Crew's size chart. Also, sizes now are cut bigger than they used to be--that is, a woman who is a size 10 now probably would've been a size 12 or so back in 1965-70--essentially in response to fattening American women getting pissed at the size labels which confirmed they were getting larger. Marilyn Monroe I believe was a size 10, so would've been a 12 or 14 today--in other words, she would never ever have been able to get a job.

If she was a size ten then, and they are cutting sizes bigger now, wouldn't she be a six or an 8 now?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by spookyfish
Forgive my ignorance, but is this size 0 thing a recent development? I've heard of it before, but it seems just, well -- weird. I mean, is it a recent response to the body nazi, anorexia/bulimia, fashion-magazine supermodel funhouse-mirror bodyimage bullshit?

I could see a size 1, but really, what type of figure is a size 0 supposed to fit? Calista Flockhart types? I guess what I'm trying to find out is how would a size zero, compare to an "average" woman with regard to height, weight, measurements, etc.

spooky(enquiring minds want to know)fish

Instead of sending the truly tiny women to the girls department, dressmakers will sometimes develop a "size 0" that reflects clothes one size smaller than 1/2. But it depends on the dressmaker. Over the years, there's been some size inflation, so that a size eight (generally considered "average," though over half the women in the United States are over size 12, so "average" isnt' the right word) nowadays probably was a ten or a twelve twenty to thirty years ago.

Also, not all sizes are the same. From dressmaker to dressmaker, or even from item to item, cuts are different. So someone may be wearing a size six blouse by designer A, and a size four dress by designer B, and refuses to wear designer C because she'd have to wear a size eight.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Marilyn Monroe I believe was a size 10, so would've been a 12 or 14 today--in other words, she would never ever have been able to get a job.

Wow. If you think Marilyn wouldn't be hired in a second today, you're nuts.

But then again, she married an athlete, so she must have been crazy AND fat.

TM

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by barely_legal
If she was a size ten then, and they are cutting sizes bigger now, wouldn't she be a six or an 8 now?

Pardon me, I got it backwards, you and RT are right of course.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wow. If you think Marilyn wouldn't be hired in a second today, you're nuts.

But then again, she married an athlete, so she must have been crazy AND fat.

TM

So show me the latest big-studio movie in which a woman her size starred as the leading lady, outside a porn flick? No doubt she would be told to lose 20 pounds--after all, the media was calling Alicia Silverstone a cow and saying her career was over because of it when she was what, a size eight?

[evenodds]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Marilyn Monroe I believe was a size 10, so would've been a 12 or 14 today--in other words, she would never ever have been able to get a job.

At the peak of her popularity, MM was what would now be a size 6. I attended a function at a museum with one of her famous dresses on display and I was surprised by how tiny it was, given that I had always heard the same.

Clothing sizes haven't changed just because most americans are fatter than they used to be. We are significantly taller and more broad. When I was shopping in Paris with my mother a couple of years ago, we could find no clothing for ourselves though we each wore an american 2 or 4, depending on the manufacturer. Everything was cut more narrowly in the shoulder and in the hip or the waist or bust fell in the wrong place. It was terribly disappointing.

[tmdiva]

Marilyn was a size 14 then, I'm guessing would be about a 10 now.

Here's the site where I got the pic of Mia: http://lardbiscuit.com/chicks/miat.html This guy is apparently into women with a little (or a lot! of) meat on their bones. Mia seems to appear at a different weight in just about every photo, so I think it's possible that you saw her at a thinner weight, dtb.

tm

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wow. If you think Marilyn wouldn't be hired in a second today, you're nuts.

But then again, she married an athlete, so she must have been crazy AND fat.

TM

My mom gave my dad this collection of books and photographs of Marilyn Monroe for Christmas. I'm pretty sure that he'd agree with you.