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Old 01-18-2005, 01:34 PM   #106
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - The president of Harvard University prompted criticism for suggesting that innate differences between the sexes could help explain why fewer women succeed in science and math careers.

Lawrence H. Summers, speaking Friday at an economic conference, also questioned how great a role discrimination plays in keeping female scientists and engineers from advancing at elite universities.

The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins — a Harvard graduate — to walk out on Summers’ talk.

“It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way,” Hopkins said later. Hopkins said the economist detailed three reasons for which fewer women have faculty positions at elite universities than their male counterparts.

"Women have children and don't want to work as hard as it takes to get to the top," she said was his first reason.

His second reason was purportedly women's "aptitude."
And his final reason was "socialization and bias, which is what most people at the conference were talking about," Hopkins said.

The biologist added that Summers said women's inability to advance was not confined to the academic world.

"It's law, it's medicine, it's business, it's everything," she quoted him as saying.

Hm. I did really well in math and science. Except for Physics. I hated Physics.
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Old 01-18-2005, 01:44 PM   #107
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US Open champ, Svetlana Kuznetsova, tested positive for a banned substance. Uh...



...are they absolutely sure?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/sp.../18tennis.html

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The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins — a Harvard graduate — to walk out on Summers’ talk.
I find it odd that the press reports of this speech are based principally on accounts from someone who left the speech mid-way through.

That said, Summers' explanation that he was outlining several hypotheses offered as possible explanations (and not adopting any as his own), seems entirely plausible and more likely reflects what he said as a whole.
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...are they absolutely sure?


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...are they absolutely sure?

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I find it odd that the press reports of this speech are based principally on accounts from someone who left the speech mid-way through.

That said, Summers' explanation that he was outlining several hypotheses offered as possible explanations (and not adopting any as his own), seems entirely plausible and more likely reflects what he said as a whole.
I think that most of the women left because his hypotheses were crap.

“It’s possible I made some reference to innate differences,” he said. He said people “would prefer to believe” that the differences in performance between the sexes are due to social factors, “but these are things that need to be studied.”

He also cited as an example one of his daughters, who as a child was given two trucks in an effort at gender-neutral upbringing. Yet he said she named them “daddy truck” and “baby truck,” as if they were dolls.

It was during such comments that Hopkins got up and left.

“Here was this economist lecturing pompously (to) this room full of the country’s most accomplished scholars on women’s issues in science and engineering, and he kept saying things we had refuted in the first half of the day.”
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“Here was this economist lecturing pompously (to) this room full of the country’s most accomplished scholars on women’s issues in science and engineering, and he kept saying things we had refuted in the first half of the day.”
Ahh, I missed the part that they had discovered the Truth in the morning. Good for them.
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Ahh, I missed the part that they had discovered the Truth in the morning. Good for them.
I remember that Eva Silverstein's lectures were for shit during her period. I don't know if that helps explain.
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Ahh, I missed the part that they had discovered the Truth in the morning. Good for them.
While it is often useful to have economists lend a novel perspective to other fields, unburdened by the work that experts in those areas have been doing, one can also imagine how it could be seen as insulting. All of this is true even if you set aside the fact that the particular issues here are freighted with strong feelings. And then there's the fact that Summers is something of a bull in a china shop.

In Summers' defense, I think the particular point he was making about innate differences was that more males tend to fall at both extremes of performance spectra, high and low, which is a little different from how it's getting reported.
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US Open champ, Svetlana Kuznetsova, tested positive for a banned substance. Uh...



...are they absolutely sure?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/sp.../18tennis.html

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I remember that Eva Silverstein's lectures were for shit during her period. I don't know if that helps explain.
Your asking questions with distances expressed in fathoms per light year didn't help matters.
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