Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
But if they use student fees to fund it and if at least some of those student fees were paid with federal student loan funds, wouldn't that count as your tax dollars?

It's a loan, which is distinct from a grant, so now you're talking about the amount of subsidy on the interest rate, which is pretty low, given that the riskiness of the loans is pretty low (not dischargeable, right?). And even that assumes that the marginal student fees are paid for by loans. Usually loans go up to a certain amount, and the student has to supply the last few bucks, through work or otherwise.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Rest assured, however, that those few will be the ones that pose.

In the name of art, of course.

If you are good looking enough to get someone to pay you for nude pictures of yourself, you don't do it for free. Unless perhaps you thought it could be a stepping stone to something bigger maybe you would.

Good looking women get enough male attention (especially if they are at Harvard where they would stand out) that having their nude pics published in a school newspaper wouldn't be a thrill. It is the fat chicks who would be flattered to get their nude photos in print.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It's a loan, which is distinct from a grant,

Fine then, make it a Pell Grant. If some of the student fees were paid with Pell Grants, wouldn't that be tax dollars?

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Usually loans go up to a certain amount, and the student has to supply the last few bucks, through work or otherwise.

As club sez, money is fungible.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
But if they use student fees to fund it and if at least some of those student fees were paid with federal student loan funds, wouldn't that count as your tax dollars?

Jesusgod. I wonder how much of the federal defense appropriations pays for porn in a substantially similar way?

BTW, the Crimson article said they could apply for funding, but there was no assurance they'd get it. Something tells me they will find pro sponsorship somewhere.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I wonder how much of the federal defense appropriations pays for porn in a substantially similar way?

Umm, explain that one.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
Umm, explain that one.

Internet porn on military bases.

I understand they have that.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Internet porn on military bases.

I understand that have that.

I don't think if a soldier buys porn with his hard-earned income that counts as your tax dollars buying porn.

If a student is given a pell grant (note the operative word is given, not earned) and part of that pell grant is used to pay student fees and the student fees are used to produce a porn magazine, that is much different from a soldier buying poor with his pay.

Now if the military subsidizes the cost of the porn somehow, OK, that would be similar.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me


If a student is given a pell grant (note the operative word is given, not earned) and part of that pell grant is used to pay student fees and the student fees are used to produce a porn magazine, that is much different from a soldier buying poor with his pay.

Yes. Instead we should bar any student receiving any funds from the federal government, either as a loan or grant, from using that money to pay any bills from the university that are not expressly and solely for tuition.

Are you contending that any government employee who spends her income, or part thereof, on porn is doing so at taxpayer expense?

ETask: Do grants and loans require specifically that they be paid over to the university? Or could I get a loan (at least for a year), bail out, and have only the repayment obligation.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
ETask: Do grants and loans require specifically that they be paid over to the university? Or could I get a loan (at least for a year), bail out, and have only the repayment obligation.

I know people who did just that, and lived very well for a year in the tropics.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yes. Instead we should bar any student receiving any funds from the federal government, either as a loan or grant, from using that money to pay any bills from the university that are not expressly and solely for tuition.

Who said anything about barring it?

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Are you contending that any government employee who spends her income, or part thereof, on porn is doing so at taxpayer expense?

No. See my post to Bilmore above. When an indivifual is paid for doing a job, they earn the money and the money is theirs as compensation for their services.

When students are given pell grants or the interest on their student loans is subsidized, that is a gift to them of taxpayer funds.

I never said it should be barred.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
Who said anything about barring it?

My mistake. I thought you had taken the position that it was a waste of taxpayer money. Are you saying it's a good use of taxpayer money? Because I'm sure we could add some Porn Stamps to the Food Stamps program. Might help avoid some abortions too.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
I don't think if a soldier buys porn with his hard-earned income that counts as your tax dollars buying porn.

When a soldier is provided with internet access in his or her quarters, paid for by the employer, and uses that bandwidth to stream www.donkeypokersRus.com, I think it does.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
I know people who did just that, and lived very well for a year in the tropics.

Then they defrauded the federal government. The loan papers that I signed required me to use the money only for tuition, books, and living expenses while attending school. The agreements specifically say that you cannot use the money for anything else.

If you drop out of school and therefore don't have a tuition obligation and your living expenses are not incurred while in school, you are required to return the money that was disbursed as well as any interest that was subsidized.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
If you drop out of school and therefore don't have a tuition obligation and your living expenses are not incurred while in school, you are required to return the money that was disbursed as well as any interest that was subsidized.

They did.

The next year. They paid their accrued interest, and no one said boo to them about it.

In other news, the Yellowstone Snowmobile Ban is off again. Or not.

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/1110/2-...020003_11.html

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
Then they defrauded the federal government. The loan papers that I signed required me to use the money only for tuition, books, and living expenses while attending school. The agreements specifically say that you cannot use the money for anything else.

So then they can't be used for student activity fees, which are none of those items. Where's your beef?