Missing the Paigow (et al.) [sniff] - Page 81

nononono · 12-09-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Stop stealing my shit.

Once again, this is not the point. If I am jewish and I am a partner at the firm, I am not throwing a Christmas party because I do not celebrate Christmas. I also know that other people who own and work at the firm do not celebrate Christmas. Therefore, I throw a party that is inclusive of everyone because I'm not going to have a Passover party or a Kwanzaa celebration and I'm not going to force everyone to fast for Ramadan (or however it's spelled).

And the party is thrown in December because more people celebrate Christmas and so it makes sense to center the holiday party around the time of year that most people celebrate. But that doesn't mean we only have to recognize one type of celebration.

Kids in New York's public schools get all the jewish holidays off, jewish or not, so whatever. Your quote doesn't make any sense in the context of this argument anyway.

Right. Because if there were no Christmas, we probably wouldn't come up with another way to guilt everyone into spending a bunch of money on gifts at year-end.

Why the fuck do I have to call it a Christmas party to witness or enjoy any of that?

TM

Not for nothing but I've been to Bastille Day parties, and I'm not French, nor were 99% of the people there. But if they call it a Bastille Day party, it is. And you don't even have to be French to throw it.

Mr. Man · 12-09-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Why the fuck do I have to call it a Christmas party to witness or enjoy any of that?

TM

I haven't been to a work Christmas party in 11 years. They correctly should be considered Holiday parties so everyone should get over it. I never really cared all that much until I started constantly hearing the same "can't believe I have to acknowledge non-Bible thumpers" BS in Texas for 7 years, whether it related to parties or their shock at hearing that certain people think their deity is purely a crutch for the small minded.

Now for the truly important question: Has there been a discussion about banning those f'ing long graphics that stretch the post column out so I have to scroll back and forth? Now that Hank has that BS signature every page is jacked. That puts me in a bad mood for my non-denominational festive gathering this evening. At least I am confident that the employee house band will be pretty good, and well equipped.

Replaced_Texan · 12-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Man
I haven't been to a work Christmas party in 11 years. They correctly should be considered Holiday parties so everyone should get over it. I never really cared all that much until I started constantly hearing the same "can't believe I have to acknowledge non-Bible thumpers" BS in Texas for 7 years, whether it related to parties or their shock at hearing that certain people think their deity is purely a crutch for the small minded.

Now for the truly important question: Has there been a discussion about banning those f'ing long graphics that stretch the post column out so I have to scroll back and forth? Now that Hank has that BS signature every page is jacked. That puts me in a bad mood for my non-denominational festive gathering this evening. At least I am confident that the employee house band will be pretty good, and well equipped.

The cover of the Texas Bar Journal that my secretary just handed me says "Season's Greetings" on it and has an ornament in the shape of the state capitol.

Hank Chinaski · 12-09-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
To me, it was always a nice chance to relax a little bit before going back to the damn office because of all the damn EOY stuff that everyone comes up with that has to be done by 12/31. So to me, it's a celebrating the end of the year party. And New Years is a holiday too. That I would consider to be included in the "holidays" that are being celebrated.

And, your Winter Solstice comment is beyond stupid. The reason Christmas is scheduled where it is was to try to rope in all the people who were celebrating the solstice on 12/21.

Can we trade you for NFH?

Quick Question: Say you are celebrating, so at dinner you order 2 entrees. Do you still tip 20% of the total? The waitress only served 1 person- 20% seems excessive. What do you do usually?

Not Bob · 12-09-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Not for nothing but I've been to Bastille Day parties, and I'm not French, nor were 99% of the people there. But if they call it a Bastille Day party, it is. And you don't even have to be French to throw it.

Fine. But if Jean-Claude the business owner decides to call it a "National Independence Day" party in order to be inclusive of his clients who celebrate on the 4th instead of the 14th, then it's pretty clearly bad form for employees named Marc and Francois to piss and moan about the "stupidity of accomodating the silly Americains" at the party when they don't know if the guy next in line to them at the pate table is named Pete or Pierre.

nononono · 12-09-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Man
I haven't been to a work Christmas party in 11 years. They correctly should be considered Holiday parties so everyone should get over it. I never really cared all that much until I started constantly hearing the same "can't believe I have to acknowledge non-Bible thumpers" BS in Texas for 7 years, whether it related to parties or their shock at hearing that certain people think their deity is purely a crutch for the small minded.

Now for the truly important question: Has there been a discussion about banning those f'ing long graphics that stretch the post column out so I have to scroll back and forth? Now that Hank has that BS signature every page is jacked. That puts me in a bad mood for my non-denominational festive gathering this evening. At least I am confident that the employee house band will be pretty good, and well equipped.

Sensitivity in either direction is ridiculous. I think I could manage not to feel threatened if I were at a firm that threw a Hannukah party and didn't even throw in a token tabletop tree. Why on earth would I care? Or not want to participate? Or, God forbid, feel excluded?

On the other hand, throwing an end of the year celebration, or generic holiday party doesn't bug me, either, so long as it's in order to do that, not just out of fear of offending.

ltl/fb · 12-09-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Quick Question: Say you are celebrating, so at dinner you order 2 entrees. Do you still tip 20% of the total? The waitress only served 1 person- 20% seems excessive. What do you do usually?

Oddly enough, I did this on Wednesday night. I wanted veggies, and I wanted sweet-and-sour chicken. I was alone. I ordered both, ate about 1/4 or 1/3 of each, had the rest boxed up, and tipped the waitress somewhat over 20% of the total. Because she had to convey the order of two dishes, had to ask me extra questions like did I want only a half order of the chicken, and had to bring two entrees and box everything up.

Very timely.

Hank Chinaski · 12-09-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Man
I haven't been to a work Christmas party in 11 years. They correctly should be considered Holiday parties so everyone should get over it. I never really cared all that much until I started constantly hearing the same "can't believe I have to acknowledge non-Bible thumpers" BS in Texas for 7 years, whether it related to parties or their shock at hearing that certain people think their deity is purely a crutch for the small minded.

Now for the truly important question: Has there been a discussion about banning those f'ing long graphics that stretch the post column out so I have to scroll back and forth? Now that Hank has that BS signature every page is jacked. That puts me in a bad mood for my non-denominational festive gathering this evening. At least I am confident that the employee house band will be pretty good, and well equipped.

FYI: Notbob politely asked me to change before I read this, so I did. Bob, I don't know that I would have changed had I read this first.

And look- if you aren't saying a mass, or at least prayers, to celebrate Jesus it IS a generic holiday celebration. I'm sure a high percentage of Christmas parties have nothing to do with Christianity- so why not call them something Generic?

ThurgreedMarshall · 12-09-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Not for nothing but I've been to Bastille Day parties, and I'm not French, nor were 99% of the people there. But if they call it a Bastille Day party, it is. And you don't even have to be French to throw it.

No, actually that was for nothing.

The point of a holiday party (at least here) is to have a celebration for everyone at the firm that is inclusive of each of their big holidays. Since the firm can't and won't throw 37 parties for each person's individual belief system, they combine them all (including Christmas) into one.

If you want to have a party to celebrate Dumbass Day and you invite everyone else (even though it's really just your holiday), that's fine. But that has nothing to do with what we're arguing about here.

TM

nononono · 12-09-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Fine. But if Jean-Claude the business owner decides to call it a "National Independence Day" party in order to be inclusive of his clients who celebrate on the 4th instead of the 14th, then it's pretty clearly bad form for employees named Marc and Francois to piss and moan about the "stupidity of accomodating the silly Americains" at the party when they don't know if the guy next in line to them at the pate table is named Pete or Pierre.

Actually if they were French they wouldn't care what it was called - they'd still consider it a Bastille Day party. :-) That said, if I were Pete (and not Pierre) I'd probably pipe up and agree with them.

Mr. Man · 12-09-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Sensitivity in either direction is ridiculous. I think I could manage not to feel threatened if I were at a firm that threw a Hannukah party and didn't even throw in a token tabletop tree. Why on earth would I care? Or not want to participate? Or, God forbid, feel excluded?

On the other hand, throwing an end of the year celebration, or generic holiday party doesn't bug me, either, so long as it's in order to do that, not just out of fear of offending.

I agree. I mentally refer to all of them as "Boring But With Free Alcohol Parties" anyway.

Hank Chinaski · 12-09-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
ask me extra questions like did I want only a half order of the chicken,

You don't think she was fucking with you?

nononono · 12-09-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
No, actually that was for nothing.

The point of a holiday party (at least here) is to have a celebration for everyone at the firm that is inclusive of each of their big holidays. Since the firm can't and won't throw 37 parties for each person's individual belief system, they combine them all (including Christmas) into one.

If you want to have a party to celebrate Dumbass Day and you invite everyone else (even though it's really just your holiday), that's fine. But that has nothing to do with what we're arguing about here.

TM

It's so strange; I've started to like you. Even if you are the tiniest bit predictable.

I know the point of a "holiday party." Debate isn't over what is done; it's over whether that is necessary.

As far as a Dumbass Day Party, is that your way of asking me out on a date? Because you know you'd be first on my invite list for that intimate little gathering.

Mr. Man · 12-09-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
FYI: Notbot politely asked me to change before I read this, so I did. Bob, I don't know that I would have changed had I read this first.

And look- if you aren't saying a mass, or at least prayers, to celebrate Jesus it is a generic holiday celebration. I'm sure a high percentage of Christmas parties have nothing to do with Christianity- so why not call them something Generic?

Sorry about that. I actually got on the kick the other day for a different graphic from someone else so it was not primarily related to you, if that helps.

The notion that Jesus = Kleenex/Xerox/Aspirin is actually an interesting concept I had not considered before. I may need to work that into my material.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 12-09-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Man
I agree. I mentally refer to all of them as "Boring But With Free Alcohol Parties" anyway.

Daring co-workers to do things after a few drinks can make these parties decidedly unboring.