Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03 - Page 81

ABBAKiss · 04-07-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Are that many women out there bullimic and implanted?

For me, I need the larger size tops in part because of the boobs but mostly because I have broad shoulders and a large rib cage (apparently, given that every bridesmaids dress I have ever tried on had to be taken out in the rib cage and boobs and pulled in at the waist). My jackets tend to need to be ordered larger to accomodate my bone structure.

04-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Yay, she finally arrived. Fashionably late of course. Maybe she can asnwer the question about how sizes convert- from 29 to 8? 30 to 10? And whether Lucky jeans dont run big- ie a Lucky 8 is an 8 and not a 10

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Never mind size inflation, I'm more concerned about size imbalance. I pulled out one of my suits the other day and realized that the jacket was a size 2 and the skirt a size 10. Usually I'll split 6/8 from top to bottom, but sometimes the sized go askew crazily. And, of course, when I have to get a suit all together, I either have to go with an a-line skirt or get the jacket insanely altered, if that can even be done.

WTF is it with suits and dresses having a 38 inch bust and skirts having a 36 inch hip? Are that many women out there bullimic and implanted? (hyperbole alert - no offense intended to women with such measurements)

D(Bad Rich Chic)S

(Notice: the DebtSlave brand has come under new management and upgraded its appearances.)

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just had to see if the throw-up smiley worked. Weird smilies here)

JustForFun · 04-07-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Never mind size inflation, I'm more concerned about size imbalance. I pulled out one of my suits the other day and realized that the jacket was a size 2 and the skirt a size 10.

I size 10 skirt? That is scary. What, so you have a breast to hip ratio of .8 to .7?

Just(I'm a size 2 AND I got straight A's in math)ForFun

spookyfish · 04-07-2003, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by ABBAKiss
My jackets tend to need to be ordered larger to accomodate my bone structure.

The same thing might be said about my pants. :p

spooky(never one to bypass the cheap joke)fish

ThurgreedMarshall · 04-07-2003, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
It's nice that there are exceptions and that the trend seems to be slowly turning--if only because the skeletor norm has become so outrageously repulsive that people think it's nice to see someone like Barrymore, who's what, an obese size 8? But they're largely still confined to indie films, and they're largely still exceptions. It's entirely possible that despite Marilyn's enormous sex appeal and later talent she would've been confined to the soft-core pinup arena if she started her career today--after all, when she first started acting in films like All About Eve she was widely considered by castmates to be just another flash-in-the-pan talent-impaired starlet.

I give up. You're a knucklehead.

Name one big female star today with perfect measurements who wasn't considered at one point to be a flash-in-the-pan, talent-impaired starlet.

Now you'll say, but Marilyn would be considered such and fat. And I'll say, wrong. If she had to break in as super small, she might have. But she would become an icon because of who she was and would be able to get away with carrying more weight because of her voice, beauty and sex-appeal.

Thurgreed(enough)Marshall

purse junkie · 04-07-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by JustForFun
I size 10 skirt? That is scary. What, so you have a breast to hip ratio of .8 to .7?

Just(I'm a size 2 AND I got straight A's in math)ForFun

Too bad. According to that aforementioned poll of American men, you need to be force fed.

04-07-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I give up. You're a knucklehead.

Name one big female star today with perfect measurements who wasn't considered at one point to be a flash-in-the-pan, talent-impaired starlet.

Now you'll say, but Marilyn would be considered such and fat. And I'll say, wrong. If she had to break in as super small, she might have. But she would become an icon because of who she was and would be able to get away with carrying more weight because of her voice, beauty and sex-appeal.

Thurgreed(enough)Marshall

Please, MM would have posed for Playboy, which she did, banged Hugh Hefner and a few chicks at the Playboy Mansion for awhile, taken a few roles in B movies, gotten into heroin and then got her own E True Hollywood Story followed by her own E reality show. And we would all comment on how pretty she used to be and how fat she got.

robustpuppy · 04-07-2003, 05:14 PM

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Perhaps one of the reasons that so many men are obsessed with Marilyn Monroe (and let's not forget Betty Page) is because there aren't a lot of curvy, healthy women without six-pack abs and sharp features in the media.

I think part of the reason men are still obsessed with Marilyn is that she oozed vulnerability as well as sexuality. That's an unusual combination that cannot be imitated, and certainly can't be pulled off on screen by a woman with rock hard abs and angular features. A man might want to wrestle with Jennifer Garner, but being with a woman who can kick your ass does not have the same fundamental appeal as being with a sex goddess who also seems to need you to take care of her.

And I'm not making any generalizations about what men are looking for in women or any crap like that. I'm talking about Marilyn as an icon.
Sadly, the vulnerability that helped make Marilyn a star and an icon of a particular kind of femininity also made it impossible for her to survive in Hollywood. The fact that celebrity chewed her up is also part of her lasting appeal.

SlaveNoMore · 04-07-2003, 05:16 PM

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Bad_Rich_Chic
(Notice: the DebtSlave brand has come under new management and upgraded its appearances.)

But now who's gonna play with Gogogowolf?

not7y(about time you got your cute ass over here)S

purse junkie · 04-07-2003, 05:19 PM

TM, I think you're utterly discounting the impact "live fast, die young and leave a good-looking-corpse" has on icon-hood. Would anyone give a crap about Diana 30 years from now if she hadn't been a tragic short-lived beauty, instead of just another princess humiliated by her wussy royal husband and his horse-faced mistress? Or James Dean, if he'd lived to be a dessicated old drunk? Would you lionize Marilyn so much if she'd lived, like fellow celebrated beauty Jane Russell, to be an old, wrinkly bra spokeswoman?

JustForFun · 04-07-2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred I remember a poll a few years back where American men overwhelming chose Anna-Nicole Smith over Kate Moss.

Which just goes to show you how much men like breast implants.

Feast (no pun intended) your eyes on this, boys!

bilmore · 04-07-2003, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
. . . but being with a woman who can kick your ass does not have the same fundamental appeal as being with a sex goddess who also seems to need you to take care of her.

You know, it IS possible to overgeneralize in this area . . .

(We don't ALL want wimply breathless little thangs fainting and cooing around us. Give me a kickboxer any day . . . )

ThurgreedMarshall · 04-07-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred
Perhaps one of the reasons that so many men are obsessed with Marilyn Monroe (and let's not forget Betty Page) is because there aren't a lot of curvy, healthy women without six-pack abs and sharp features in the media.

I remember a poll a few years back where American men overwhelming chose Anna-Nicole Smith over Kate Moss.

So let me get this straight. You're saying there is a place for voluptious women in today's entertainment industry and a market that is currently being filled by...Marilyn? Yet Marilyn wouldn't be a star today?

I'm not saying she would be as big a star as she was. But she would be popular. I'm not going to argue it anymore.

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred I remember a poll a few years back where American men overwhelming chose Anna-Nicole Smith over Kate Moss. Those results didn't seem to change many magazine covers. I don't see Calvin Klein deciding chubby is the new black anytime soon.
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Yeah. I remember never seeing Anna Nicole Smith on any magazine covers at the height of her fame.

What the fuck are you saying? I'm not saying she would totally revamp today's beauty ideal, assjack. I'm saying there would be a place for her.

TM

ABBAKiss · 04-07-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by JustForFun
Which just goes to show you how much men like breast implants.

Feast (no pun intended) your eyes on this, boys!

Yikes. Is that you JFF? I thought you said you were hot?

robustpuppy · 04-07-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You know, it IS possible to overgeneralize in this area . . .

(We don't ALL want wimply breathless little thangs fainting and cooing around us. Give me a kickboxer any day . . . )

Bilmore, you did read my whole post, didn't you? I clearly stated that I did not intend to generalize. "Fundamental appeal" was not meant to imply "universal appeal."

r(not wimpy, not breathless, growls rather than coos, but kickboxer? no.)p