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[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I wish Hank were my dad.

One of the noir is taking his first spinning class tonight. What should I do?

Accept that you're going to have to settle for sloppy seconds.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I have accepted that fact with respect to my daughter as well.

It was made easier by the fact that she has not yet accepted it.

Trial lawyer advice: be careful of asking questions when you don't know the answer.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Because it wouldn't have beeen a big deal. The fundamental difference between a white person using racial slurs toward a black and a black using racial slurs toward a white is this country's history.

Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

[J. Fred Muggs]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm no longer taking the obvious jokes.

J Fred, recommend she get ready to use her largest dildo on him.

I'm done with the one line throwaway humor. The end result is that I'll have to stop posting though.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by J. Fred Muggs
I'm done with the one line throwaway humor. The end result is that I'll have to stop posting though.

Just FYI. I'm planning on posting lots of celeb news items in 2007, so don't count on that either.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Spanky
Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

The only thing that's being justified is the impropriety of a white using the n word toward a black. In that case, yes you cannot use the word because of your race's historical use of the word. Otherwise that word wouldn't be a slur.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

Regarding use of racial slurs, your sensible, reasoned argument against reparations misses the issue.

The fact is, it is ok for the group which is the target of a racist/ethnic slur to use that word. They are "qualified" uniquely to do so. And I think, as blacks have demonstrated by using the word at issue here, such usage defangs the word, and makes white who use it earnestly look like rubes and redneck jackasses.

When I was a kid, hearing an n-bomb was a big deal. It was a fucking serious insult. Now, when a white person uses it as an actual insult, people look at him like's some uneducated cretin. It's a badge of ignorance.* By using it so much, and taking away its taboo, blacks have destroyed any "bite" left in the word.

I run into some fairly racist/ethnically bigoted people on a regular basis here in flyover land and they don't even use the word anymore. They instead make opaque references to whatever group they're deriding, but never directly describe the group. Maybe I just see a smarter class of bigot.

*In many ways.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Regarding use of racial slurs, your sensible, reasoned argument against reparations misses the issue.

The fact is, it is ok for the group which is the target of a racist/ethnic slur to use that word. They are "qualified" uniquely to do so. And I think, as blacks have demonstrated by using the word at issue here, such usage defangs the word, and makes white who use it earnestly look like rubes and redneck jackasses.

When I was a kid, hearing an n-bomb was a big deal. It was a fucking serious insult. Now, when a white person uses it as an actual insult, people look at him like's some uneducated cretin. It's a badge of ignorance.* By using it so much, and taking away its taboo, blacks have destroyed any "bite" left in the word.

I run into some fairly racist/ethnically bigoted people on a regular basis here in flyover land and they don't even use the word anymore. They instead make opaque references to whatever group they're deriding, but never directly describe the group. Maybe I just see a smarter class of bigot.

*In many ways.

Sounds like you just live near too many guidos.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
maybe you just live near too many guidos?

That is one group I have no problem being utterly bigoted toward. If you've got a Growing up Gotti haircut, fake tan and striped shirt opned to your scapula to show off your gold Horn of Italy on a rope chain, you need to be insulted.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't know about that.

Part of this issue is who everyone thought he was. I was thinking, over all the Seinfeld episodes was Kramer ever shitty to anyone? The only time I can remember is the last episode, laughing at the fat guy being robbed. So here's this 100% nice dumbell, and he goes really wrong.

Like if it was Dave Atell, he gets away with 60% of that. (I just picked someone who I bet is tough on hecklers- I don't know how Dave responds).

In a comedy club setting a heckler is asking for shit- and it is often personal shit. A fat guy is going hear about that, a bald guy the same, and a black heckler might hear something based upon some alleged stereotype, ("someone get this guy some fried chicken so he'll shut up for awhile"). so I think a white comic could have said bigotted crap to the guy, even hit him with a few Ns.

But given the length and hate level of it, I don't know what "similar racist things" a black comic could say that could be close to equal, but I bet that hypothetical comic would have trouble selling seats to his next show.

I don't really know which way you're arguing. It sounds like you're agreeing with me.

I don't think any comedian could get away with spewing this type of crap at anyone. However, after reading so many comments on sites where the video has been posted saying the opposite, I can say that lots of people disagree with me and, apparently, you.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Because it wouldn't have beeen a big deal. The fundamental difference between a white person using racial slurs toward a black and a black using racial slurs toward a white is this country's history.

Plus, there is no racial slur that a black can use that can come close to the horror of the "n" word in the way that Richards used it.

People seem to forget this country's centuries of mistreatment* of blacks.

*This word doesn't describe it.

There is some truth in this. However, any successful black actor/comedian who went off on an audience member in such a racially charged way would be in a similar situation. There was apparently no reason for it other than his being heckled with a "You're not funny" (and I haven't heard one account yet that says the heckler did anything more than this). Going on this sort of racial tirade of that length and level of viciousness after someone tells you you're not funny, would put anyone's career in jeopardy. The fact that the word "nigger" has so much history behind it gives it that little something extra. But I can't see Bill Cosby recovering from something like this, if he had targeted a white audience member. And there would be as much outrage and media attention if he were the offender.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Spanky
Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I think it's pointless, but historical racism is responsible for the current state of affairs in this country. The stigma attached to being black permeates every aspect of life, from what socio-economic class you're born into, to your job prospects, to your everyday social interactions (especially with the police). Likewise, the position you're in if you're white, relative to black people, is a result of the same, whether your family came here yesterday or 200 years ago.

So don't give me that load of bullshit about slavery happening long ago and how you weren't personally involved. No one is accusing you of intentionally trying to benefit from it and no one is making you personally responsible for it. But the imprint of the impact of slavery, jim crow and everyday racism from the beginning of the slave trade until now is felt every single day. You can choose to walk around pretending that that time is long over, because the only negative impact you feel is when, as pony said, a black person can feel comfortable making a racial joke at your expense because of the truth of historical racism and who it affects. And look at the fit you throw when someone even mentions the prospect.

TM

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I wonder how this will affect sales of "The Real Kramer" Seinfeld tours.

Real Kramer speaks out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061124/...he_real_kramer

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Real Kramer speaks out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061124/...he_real_kramer

disAssociates had a black circle that seemed to fit in well with the other colored circles. I bet Park would have some great insights on this issue. If only he hadn't been ran off

nice work ncs.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
disAssociates had a black circle that seemed to fit in well with the other colored circles. I bet Park would have some great insights on this issue. If only he hadn't been ran off

nice work ncs.

2. Thankfully, though, we now have SniperP to take his place. Welcome, Newber! We expect big things.