Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The people I know who are happiest and most successful in their fields of law went directly from third-tier schools to government offices or public interest and have never set foot in a downtown BIGLAW office, even for a depo.

That's odd. I've heard that depos can be quite fun. Especially out of town ones.

(this is all second hand of course because I have never personally taken an out of town depo)

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
That's odd. I've heard that depos can be quite fun. Especially out of town ones.

(this is all second hand of course because I have never personally taken an out of town depo)

You heard wrong. Deps are the most boring thing you'll ever have to do (unless you're sitting across from a naked Bret Boone.)

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by evenodds
You should report to us on Paradise Hotel.

Only because you claim you are hot:

Paradise hotel should suck. The premise is that six hot girls started with five hot guys at this hotel in "paradise," they had to pair up and live together (although there is a day bed in each room in addition to the queen bed) with one left as the odd girl out. At the end of the first week the girls selected who they wanted to live with for the following week. Of course, at least one guy was chosen by more than one girl, and he then picked between the two with the other sent home. The remaining ten "guests" then picked live via satelite from among two pre-selected male audience members for who would join them, thus again creating the lopsidedness and an eventual elimation of a guy. This goes on and on, back and forth, etc. and etc.

There appears to be no real rules regarding picking and elimination (they have changed each time). There appears to be no purpose (although I think there are undisclosed prizes for whomever makes it to the end). Yet, I am strangely fascinated. Much like Big Brother, there is nothing for these people to do (outside of a couple lame staged events) except sit around, drink, flirt, fight, generate friction, and offend. There was sex b/t one pair the first night, but that appears to have mostly settled down into quasi-flirty but mostly platonic relationships. One dorky male audience member is surviving into his thrid week. The first girl audience member could not break the girls club that had formed, though, and is gone. The second male audience member will be joining on tonight's show.

That said, I am shocked that Fox is going to a "special" 90-minute show. Either the ratings are great or they suck ass.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
You heard wrong. Deps are the most boring thing you'll ever have to do (unless you're sitting across from a naked Bret Boone.)

I bet the FB will back me up on the out of town depo thing. Especially ones involving gorgeous exotic women. You've just been taking the wrong kinds of depos, I guess.

Oh, and, the beefcake avatar is far superior to those baseball ones....

n(transactional)cs

[evenodds]

Tonight on True Poker's maxim server at 10 pm central (8 pm pacific).

Evenodds' table.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I bet the FB will back me up on the out of town depo thing. Especially ones involving gorgeous exotic women. You've just been taking the wrong kinds of depos, I guess.

Oh, and, the beefcake avatar is far superior to those baseball ones....

n(transactional)cs

And yet it IS a baseball one. But I agree, it's nice to see something yummy for a change instead of that crass boobjob stuff and the scary fish.

[Atticus Grinch]

Hulk plush doll sold in UK creates stir based on, um, size?
{Spree: should only be a problem if your IT dept. is clued in to furry fetish porn.}

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Hulk plush doll sold in UK creates stir based on, um, size?
{Spree: should only be a problem if your IT dept. is clued in to furry fetish porn.}

so behind the times... RT scooped you yesterday.

edited to say it was actually two days ago (I learned this thanks to the fancy search feature that we learned about today)

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by evenodds
Tonight on True Poker's maxim server at 10 pm central (8 pm pacific).

Evenodds' table.

Yippee!

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
so behind the times... RT scooped you yesterday.

Goddamnit! Sorry, RT. Read the post, didn't click the link, no retention whatsoever.

Originally posted by LessinSF
Boarding House
90 minute Paradise Hotel
Big Brother 4
Cupid

are all on tonight. What's a lame-ass to do?

Boarding House? What is this?

Paradise Hotel? Is this any good?

BB4: so far it blows. the men make a crosssection of the fellows at a Capital Grille Happy Hour look enthralling and attractive. The only interesting seeming people are the two asians and the fake titter. allison reminds me of a bachelor reject- her drama is tiresome and so three reality television seasons ago. I had such hope bc this is my favorite reality series.

cupid: saw part of this. a depressing reminder of the state of the male population (remind me never to move to Miami). the person I was most attracted to was the faux blond hairdresser with the snarl. my kinda girl. did they do NYC and LA last night? Hopefully the pickens were a little less slim.

I miss Are You Hot?

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
But the contrary advice: go if you want, regardless of the caliber of school, leads to even more unhappy, and not highly credentialled lawyers.

For anyone who isn't sure about going to law school, and how can anyone be sure until working on the other side (well, maybe paralegals and children of lawyers), at least a degree from a top law school is relatively bankable, thereby allowing the person to pay off loans once it's clear em hates the law.

When asked about becoming an attorney I make sure to tell prospective students not to do it for any of the following reasons:

1. Power -- For most of your career you will scurry around at someone else's whim. Unless you are the number one money-maker at the firm there is someone there who will treat you like you are a nobody piece of shit -- oh yeah, and the number one guy gets shit on by his clients anyway so there is no escaping it.

2. Prestige -- Some people will be impressed, but that is because they assume you are raking in the dough (see below) but most people only pretend to like and respect you so that they can get free advice -- and then are pissed when you tell them that you don't do DUIs. Even the people who are impressed don't really like you because you are, well, a lawyer.

3. Money -- My stats may not be perfect but I know that I read somewhere that less than 25% of lawyers are really making any serious jack. I tell people that some 75% of lawyers out there are busting their humps for $40k to $75k a year. I also tell them that only about 10% of lawyers end up in BIGLAW and that even then your lifespan is about 7 years if you are lucky because you have a better shot of making the cut in the NFL than making partner. Factor in your student loan debt and the payout doesn't seem so great. When you add in the fact that everyone on the planet (except other lawyers) assumes that you are rich because you are a lawyer and I am thankful everyday that I lucked into the 25%.

4. You ever want to do anything else with your life -- Once you have a law degree you can do anything -- bullshit. Nobody wants to hire a lawyer to be anything except a lawyer because they assume you will otherwise bolt as soon as you get another powerful, prestigious, high-paying lawyer job. Even worse is when you do break into another field and hear things like "you used to be a lawyer, what do you think from a legal perspective?" when you haven't practiced for years.


The money one gets most of them although they like to point out that I live pretty good but I tell them that it is only because of luck and a lot of fucking hard work and that it could end any moment and I might never find legal work again.

[evenodds]

Here is a link to the coverage in Velonews: http://www.velonews.com/tour2003/det...s/4445.0.html.

Apparently, only Graham Watson got a good photo of the podium, but you cannot grab his images.

Even(Vive VHP)Odds

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
I have a dilemma. Boss of a very good friend has a kid who wants to go to law school. Has recently graduated from a small college and I think had really good grades.

Kid wants to go to Stanford. They gave kid my phone number and told em to call me for advice. After I stop laughing, what to I tell em?

You tell the kid exactly what what you think you should tell him - that very few people like this job and 99% of us are here by happenstance and now are either unable or unwilling to give up the money.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
When asked about becoming an attorney I make sure to tell prospective students not to do it for any of the following reasons:

1. Power -- For most of your career you will scurry around at someone else's whim. Unless you are the number one money-maker at the firm there is someone there who will treat you like you are a nobody piece of shit -- oh yeah, and the number one guy gets shit on by his clients anyway so there is no escaping it.

2. Prestige -- Some people will be impressed, but that is because they assume you are raking in the dough (see below) but most people only pretend to like and respect you so that they can get free advice -- and then are pissed when you tell them that you don't do DUIs. Even the people who are impressed don't really like you because you are, well, a lawyer.

3. Money -- My stats may not be perfect but I know that I read somewhere that less than 25% of lawyers are really making any serious jack. I tell people that some 75% of lawyers out there are busting their humps for $40k to $75k a year. I also tell them that only about 10% of lawyers end up in BIGLAW and that even then your lifespan is about 7 years if you are lucky because you have a better shot of making the cut in the NFL than making partner. Factor in your student loan debt and the payout doesn't seem so great. When you add in the fact that everyone on the planet (except other lawyers) assumes that you are rich because you are a lawyer and I am thankful everyday that I lucked into the 25%.

4. You ever want to do anything else with your life -- Once you have a law degree you can do anything -- bullshit. Nobody wants to hire a lawyer to be anything except a lawyer because they assume you will otherwise bolt as soon as you get another powerful, prestigious, high-paying lawyer job. Even worse is when you do break into another field and hear things like "you used to be a lawyer, what do you think from a legal perspective?" when you haven't practiced for years.


The money one gets most of them although they like to point out that I live pretty good but I tell them that it is only because of luck and a lot of fucking hard work and that it could end any moment and I might never find legal work again.

1. Power - That's for guys with "shortcomings."

2. Prestige - Again, for tools trying to get revenge for not dating cheerleaders and guys with "shortcomings."

3. Money - I donno 'bout your town, but in my town, getting to $200K with a reasonable QOL (i.e., not working for Dechert or Morgan) is a tough gig.

4. People outside law will hire lawyers for non-legal work because the loathesome nature of this profession is beginning to become well known outside the profession.

The way I see it, law attracts two kinds of people:

(a) Smart folks who are fast on their feet but didn't care to study math/science; and

(b) Vengeful petty angry dorks with gripes against most of the world and zero social skills.

I'm an (a) person and am lucky to work with mainly (a) people. HOWEVER, the (b) people who I must deal with on a regular basis make what would otherwise be an OK gig really fucking annoying.

Bottom line is, whatever field you're in, avoid those without social skills. A person who can't relate appropriately to others is a bag of problems down the road. Unfortunately, most law firms love such defective folks because they'll work like goddamn machines on the most tedious of tasks and have zero outside interests to sway their attention. They're like the chemistry club in high school - conversing with them is like watching paint dry. Now imagine if the chemistry club got mixed with the angry goth kids and the wierd "young republicans" - that's the mix of most law firms.

If that picture doesn't tell you to run from this profession like SARS, you're probably fucked up enough to love law, so you should go to law school.

S("...before they make me run...")D