Fashion Board 6-9-04 to 7-13-04

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Madonna has changed her name to Esther - http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Musi...eut/index.html.. .From the article:

"The 45-year-old mother of two also insisted that despite her celebrated MTV awards kiss with Britney Spears, she has moved beyond the raunchy pop vixen image first cultivated two decades ago in such music-video hits as "Like a Virgin" and "Material Girl."..."I did spend, you know, at least a decade taking my clothes off and being photographed, saying bad words on TV, and, you know, that sort of thing," she told ABC's Cynthia McFadden. "I don't regret it, but it's just ... I mean everybody takes their clothes off now. And then what? You know? And -- and then what?"

Um..."moving on" from the "raunchy pop vixem" image is probably a good idea for an over-45 year old woman. Who the hell would pay to buy a porno book of her nekkid at 45. Yeah I know how women over 40 are still supposed to be "hot" and all but that's a crock of shit when it comes to the kind of sexuality Madonna relied on during her career. There are plenty of appealing older actresses out there and I know plenty a man who'd roll in the hay with them. But Madonna shouldn't pretend she's changing her image b/c of Kabbalah; she's changing it because the sight of a 45 year old woman grunting and masturbating on stage just aint pretty.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Adder
So, late last night a get a call from a drunkin ex. This is a girl I dated a looong time ago, and have occasionally hooked up with since when we were both single and in the same place. After a substantial cooling off period after she dumped me, we have again become fairly good friends.

That's hardly a situation I can complain about, but she is single again and has apparently now decided that she wants to date again.

She says that she compares every guy she meets to me, and they don't measure up. I suspect that she has an idealized and unrealistic image of me, 'cause, really, I'm not that great of a guy.

Anyway, point being that I don't think I want to date her again, and I guess I feel kind of bad about that. In her drunken and depressed state last night, she keept pressing me for why I wouldn't date her, but I didn't really have a good answer. I'm just past romantic feelings for her I guess. Maybe it is a by-product of the first time we broke up. Or maybe it is that dealing with the continued drama in her life over the last several years has left me uninterested.

But, of course, she also made me promised that last night's conversation wouldn't change our friendship, but as we all know, that may not exactly be possible.

So anyway I don't really know what to do about the whole situation. I don't know if it would be better to just pretend that the conversation never happened or to try to extricate myself from the friendship. While I don't want to date her, I certainly don't want to hurt her any more than necessary.

Why can't you just tell her what you wrote above? If this is a woman that you are friends with, you owe it to her to be honest with her. You haven't said anything mean like "I don't want to get back with you because you are fat/ugly/stupid."

As far as continuing to be friends with her, well that just depends on how much you value the friendship, whether she has made you feel uncomfortable, and how she acts. If you value the friendship (and it sounds like you do from what you wrote) then I would have the discussion with her telling her what you wrote above and at the end tell her that you value the friendship and want to try to be friends still if that is OK with her. Tell her that you will understand if she isn't interested but that you are cool with it if she is. Then it is all up to her in what she wants to do and how she acts. If she acts like a freak, well, then avoid her.

[Dave]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Hooking is for old men and others ... I can't say he's wrong.

This explains why the U.S. Open is presented by Levitra. And porn is for when you're too broke, or so I'm told.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
the sight of a 45 year old woman grunting and masturbating on stage just aint pretty.

It is all relative. It is hot to some people, but not to your average teenage pop music listener. Unless they have some older woman fantasy.

I think Madonna still looks good, and I don't just mean good for her age. I think she still looks good. I think what has happened to Madonna more than her age is that she is a mother with children who aren't babies anymore and they see and understand things. I bet she is not too keen on having her kids know about some of the things she has done in the past, but still she can explain that as being her past. For her to keep doing it now as her children become older and more aware is not something she can explain easily.

I bet her children have more to do with it than anything.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Not Bob

Oh, and I think it should be "The Spartan," not "the Spartan." Isn't there some rule about when capitalizing the the is appropriate? When, dtb, when?

Perhaps the rule goes out the window when threatened by the crack legal departments of Michigan Agricultural College and San No Way Jose State U.?

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by Adder
So, late last night a get a call from a drunkin ex. This is a girl I dated a looong time ago, and have occasionally hooked up with since when we were both single and in the same place. After a substantial cooling off period after she dumped me, we have again become fairly good friends.

That's hardly a situation I can complain about, but she is single again and has apparently now decided that she wants to date again.

She says that she compares every guy she meets to me, and they don't measure up. I suspect that she has an idealized and unrealistic image of me, 'cause, really, I'm not that great of a guy.

Anyway, point being that I don't think I want to date her again, and I guess I feel kind of bad about that. In her drunken and depressed state last night, she keept pressing me for why I wouldn't date her, but I didn't really have a good answer. I'm just past romantic feelings for her I guess. Maybe it is a by-product of the first time we broke up. Or maybe it is that dealing with the continued drama in her life over the last several years has left me uninterested.

But, of course, she also made me promised that last night's conversation wouldn't change our friendship, but as we all know, that may not exactly be possible.

So anyway I don't really know what to do about the whole situation. I don't know if it would be better to just pretend that the conversation never happened or to try to extricate myself from the friendship. While I don't want to date her, I certainly don't want to hurt her any more than necessary.

But you did bang her at least, right?

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Adder
So, late last night a get a call from a drunkin ex. This is a girl I dated a looong time ago, and have occasionally hooked up with since when we were both single and in the same place. .....and has apparently now decided that she wants to date again......Anyway, point being that I don't think I want to date her again, and I guess I feel kind of bad about that......But, of course, she also made me promised that last night's conversation wouldn't change our friendship, but as we all know, that may not exactly be possible.......So anyway I don't really know what to do about the whole situation.

While I don't want to date her, I certainly don't want to hurt her any more than necessary.

Just a thought, fwiw, fyi, assuming the rumours of slave's majikal kitchen are true, and having never been there I have no way to confirm or deny the same, boc hope springs eternal, I would say set her up with slave as a proxy (assuming he is still in the market, which of course, again, I have no way of knowing-he's not my type).

If the legends are true, this would accomplish:

-her orgasmic pleasure and thus, a lessening of her depression and the need to self-medicate with the booze, thus ending late night calls to you;

-the end of her idealization of you, assuming slave is as good as Less, nttawwt, and the Paigow, no offence, told me he is; and

-before long, when the end comes, her resentment of you for introducing her to such a hackish cad, no offence, i.e. no more late night calls, i.e. no more guilt for you.

Win-win-win if you ask me.

My .02, ymmv.

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
the sight of a 45 year old woman grunting and masturbating on stage just aint pretty.

Agreed, I was not a fan of the Vagina Monologues either.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
And you certainly DO have a good answer and you said it yourself: you are past romantic feelings for her.

Yeah, ya know, I kinda thought that was an adequate reason, but that didn't seem to satisfy her. Probably a result of trying to have this conversation with someone who is less than sober. But it is especially hard to tell someone you aren't into them when the conversation begins with her asking, "What is it about me that makes no one want me?"

Some people assume they can simply go back to people they dumped by "un-dumping" them and assume the only obstacle (to be overcome) is that the dumpee may be harboring resentment. Tell her that's not the case.

I think you are right. I think that is exactly what she thinks is going on, but really, there is no resentment at all. It was a very long time ago, and I am very much over it. But even so, I'm not so sure once you are over it that you can really go back, resentment or not.

[Skeks in the city]

She's way hot, but I'm not a fan of these low cut bikini bottoms. Unless a woman is really lean, the straps produce a bulge of fat on the hips directly above the straps. Sigorney Weaver got that effect at the end of Alien when she was wearing low cut panties. Of course her cut was so low she also had a plumber's crack going, so maybe that's a bad example.

[Skeks in the city]

If female directors don't look any better than male directors, then the media should help little girls with body-image problems by showing more of them rather than starlets.

some turkish director


cameron crowe


tarantino

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
That is all.

I heard this term for the first time in my life a couple of weeks ago. Remembering that I went to public skool, what is Juneteenth?

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
I heard this term for the first time in my life a couple of weeks ago. Remembering that I went to public skool, what is Juneteenth?

It's an observance of the end of slavery in the US. You can read more about it here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I love how the Scots and French get along based solely on their mutual hatred of the English.

Shape Shifter and I got to be friends first when he sent me a PM saying he thought you were a "fucking idiot." Then I said, if they made me an admin I'd ban you.

[Hank Chinaski]

poof!