Nutjobs Ranting About Politics. - Page 84

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of odd, how odd that Senator Richard Shelby's (R. - Ala.) leaking of classified information to FOX News is not getting a tenth of the coverage that Sandy Berger's socks got. How odd that conservatives are not all exercised about his judgment and fitness to continuet to serve.

Federal investigators concluded that Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) divulged classified intercepted messages to the media when he was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, according to sources familiar with the probe.

Specifically, Fox News chief political correspondent Carl Cameron confirmed to FBI investigators that Shelby verbally divulged the information to him during a June 19, 2002, interview, minutes after Shelby's committee had been given the information in a classified briefing, according to the sources, who declined to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the case.

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The disclosure involved two messages that were intercepted by the National Security Agency on the eve of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks but were not translated until Sept. 12. The Arabic-language messages said "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour." The Washington Post, citing senior U.S. intelligence officials, reported the same messages in its June 20, 2002, editions.

National security officials were outraged by the leak, and moments after the CNN broadcast a CIA official chastised committee members who had by then reconvened to continue the closed-door hearing.

I actually saw that this morning and was shocked. He comes off as being so serious about these types of matters. Fuck him.

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
How odd that an ad purporting to reveal the truth would leave a different impression.

I think this is fair game. He used their picture in his ads and has continually raised his VN experience as support for his qualifications. He put that service at issue, and it is relevant for those who where there to rebut that assertion if it is misleading.

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 04:36 PM

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On another topic, Kerry said he would have reacted much more quickly than President Bush did on Sept. 11, 2001, when he learned of terrorist attacks.

The president spent seven minutes reading to Florida elementary school children after learning that hijacked planes had been flown into the World Trade Center in New York.

“Had I been reading to children and had my top aide whisper in my ear that America is under attack, I would have told those kids very nicely and politely that the president of the United States has something that he needs to attend to,” Kerry said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5612546/

What a fucking asshole.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-05-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I actually saw that this morning and was shocked. He comes off as being so serious about these types of matters. Fuck him.

Sure it's poor form, but there's a difference between leaking information and removing information from the national archives as part of a cover-up (or is at least perceived as such).

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-05-2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5612546/

What a fucking asshole.

More disconcerting to me is this:

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“The last president who used that slogan, who told us that prosperity was just around the corner, was Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression,” he said.

If JFK wants to be the next FDR then we're seriously in trouble.

Shouldn't Eugene V. Debs enter the race now?

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
More disconcerting to me is this:

If JFK wants to be the next FDR then we're seriously in trouble.

Shouldn't Eugene V. Debs enter the race now?

Until the last week, I was honestly considering not voting for president. Now, I not only feel compelled to vote for W, but I will also be contributing to his campaign. Kerry is one scarry psychopath.

Not Me · 08-05-2004, 04:59 PM

http://www.opinionjournal.com/column.../?id=110005442

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 08-05-2004, 05:07 PM

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Until the last week, I was honestly considering not voting for president.

Fortunately I live in a state (well, not even that) where my vote in a general election is utterly and completely irrelevant, except to the extent it might allow a third-party candidate to exceed the 5% threshold for federal election funding. Hello, Michael Badnarik.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-05-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
He also said that he has been told that the WH played no part in this.

Frankly, I think this kind of information is very relevant.

Odd of you to respond to McCain's comment that the allegations about Kerry are "dishonest" by saying that the information is "relevant." Not if McCain's correct it isn't.

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Fortunately I live in a state (well, not even that) where my vote in a general election is utterly and completely irrelevant

2. Hence the need to contribute

sgtclub · 08-05-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Odd of you to respond to McCain's comment that the allegations about Kerry are "dishonest" by saying that the information is "relevant." Not if McCain's correct it isn't.

Are all of these guys lying? I find that hard to believe. McCain may believe it's in poor taste, but he hasn't shown it to be untrue.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-05-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5612546/

What a fucking asshole.

What was Bush thinking? That he could serve the country best in that moment by continuing to read a book to a bunch of kindergarten students? That's not relevant, but lies about Kerry's service in Vietnam are? Okey dokey.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-05-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
If JFK wants to be the next FDR then we're seriously in trouble.

Bush used a stupid phrase. Kerry busted him on it. It doesn't mean Kerry pictures himself as FDR.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-05-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Are all of these guys lying? I find that hard to believe. McCain may believe it's in poor taste, but he hasn't shown it to be untrue.

It's not McCain's job to fisk the statements of every yahoo who comes down the pike. He said the ad was "dishonest," but if you don't want to believe it, that's your right as an American. I hope that you anti-Kerry types spend more and more time talking about his record in Vietnam, because it's only going to help Kerry.

Shape Shifter · 08-05-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What was Bush thinking? That he could serve the country best in that moment by continuing to read a book to a bunch of kindergarten students? That's not relevant, but lies about Kerry's service in Vietnam are? Okey dokey.

He was not reading to them, they were reading to him. And that's important if "[w]e're going to have the best educated American people in the world."