Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think

lgf is working on a visual to dispute this.....

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
2. And I think we can go ahead and count atticus in for this one.

I'll throw down for one more.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Which, if you read my prior post, is exactly what I said.

I am so happy that we agree! Fantastic!

On the subject of polls, here's an op-ed from today's WaPo that struck me as interesting. I have no idea if it's right or not, but -- again -- whatever.

• Myth of the Vanishing Swing Vote
  
  By Mark J. Penn
  Tuesday, October 5, 2004; Page A25
  
  For months, pundits and the press have been peddling an obviously misguided theory of the American electorate: that all the voters have chosen one side or the other and thus there are almost no swing voters left. But a funny thing has happened. Since July the presidential horse race in public polls has gone from as much as an 8-point Kerry lead to as much as a 13-point Bush lead and is back again to a close race.
  
  The reality is that for months about a quarter of the electorate has been unsure of its choice for president, and despite the hundreds of millions of dollars of partisan advertising and rhetoric, that quarter remains in play. The recent controversy over how many Democrats or Republicans are in public polls has obscured the fact that the largest party in America is no party -- a plurality of American voters self-identify as independents, and they are the voters who will decide the election.
  
  Why are the pundits so wrong? Because they bought into what people in both camps had a very real interest in selling. Liberals and conservatives wanted their respective candidates to believe that appealing to swing voters was ideologically weak, unprincipled and ineffective. They wanted to convince their candidates that the path to victory was to tack to the right or the left, thereby validating their own agendas on Election Day.
  
  One result was that President Bush, who had at least run with a centrist moniker in 2000, took positions opposing popular stem cell research, pushing constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage and adopting far-out economic ideas such as cutting taxes on dividends. After his support declined to the low 40s, Bush woke up to the reality that swing voters were in play and presented a more centrist front at the Republican convention, which featured John McCain, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rudy Giuliani.
  
  After winning the Democratic primaries by knocking out the more liberally positioned Howard Dean, Sen. John Kerry had a large lead and emphasized his long-standing centrist views, pointing out that he voted for welfare reform and balanced budgets despite opposition within the Democratic Party. The image of the Democratic Party soared.
  
  But after Bush changed his campaign tactics to tack back toward the center, Kerry believed his drop in the polls could be fixed by adding more "edge" to his message. He moved to make his opposition to Bush's conduct of the war in Iraq the centerpiece of his campaign message, a message with tremendous appeal to the Democratic base but whose appeal to swing voters is uncertain. Now there is a renewed opportunity to win back this group of voters who report that they have already definitely decided their vote, but who have repeatedly changed their minds this year.
  
  Who are the voters swinging back and forth? They are the very ones we identified in 1996 as the most important group of swing voters: middle-aged white women. In polling we conducted for the New Democrat Network in late May, these voters were split nearly evenly between Kerry and Bush, but by September, Bush led this group by 28 percentage points.
  
  These modern moms work, have kids and live in the suburbs. They are not concerned about party labels, Vietnam service records or the National Guard. They are voting on the basis of what they think will be best for the future of their families. Forty-seven percent of these voters believe security is the most important issue -- a reversal from late May, when 50 percent said the economy was most important and only 28 percent named security. It is not too late to turn them around again.
  
  We might all learn a lesson from Bill Clinton in 1992. He won by making the Persian Gulf War irrelevant to the election. He focused on swing voters, with plans for welfare reform and middle-class tax cuts, and he drove the economy, not the war, as the central defining issue. In 1996 he focused on a plan to balance the budget and cruised to a landslide victory.
  
  So what will it take to win these swing voters? A tough approach to terrorism is a prerequisite, but what will bring them back is a focus on their families, the ballooning deficits and a vision for curing the domestic ills of this country. (This is where Bush is weakest.) And above all, it will require a positive approach. These voters are looking for ideas, not insults.
  
  With the dramatic twists and turns in the polls establishing that the swing voter is alive and well, winning this election will depend much less than people think on revving up the base and much more on who gains the confidence of these savvy independent voters. The good news for Democrats is that the latest signals from the Kerry campaign indicate that they may now be pivoting to target these voters for the homestretch.
  
  The writer, who heads a Democratic polling firm, conducted polls for President Bill Clinton's 1996 reelection campaign.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I believe that this is why Bush is going to give a "major" speech on Wednesday. Opposite the Yankees/Twins second meeting. Thankfully, the Astros will have already played, so I can give my full and proper attention.

They call that a mulligan.

[ltl/fb]

I have decided that all the people claiming to be undecided really are decided, or aren't planning to vote anyway, and are just fucking with the pollsters and the campaigns to get attention.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
lgf is working on a visual to dispute this.....

You have to go and rub it in about the Lions/Texans. Damn turnovers.

[dtb]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As compared to that doddering imbecile your boys chucked on the stage last week? Fuck, they better pump more than half hour's worth of soundbites into the Ipod Karl implanted in W's head if they plan to get thorugh the next one. Johnny might be a stiff, but even Joe Sixpack gets agita when he sees the head guy sputtering like a chimp with a head full of malt liquor.

Lets quit giving your boy (and possibly my boy) the benefit of the "soft bigotry of low expectations" afforded him because he's a "homesy honest fellow" and talk candidly about what a person of his stature should have done in a debate. He should have been able to fucking speak. he should have had more than soudbite replies. he should have realized that even Cooter at home on his couch, picking link from his ass crack, can see through 4th grade level repetitive bullshit. Bush shit the bed. Had he been up against someone who could communicate like Reagan or Clinton, he'd be down five points. Kerry may be Gore II, but he's got piles more native intelligence than Bush, and he might just learn from last week. God help that babboon your party (and mine) elected if Kerry somehow miraculously learns to "connect" on economic issues and bitchslaps monkey boy in the town hall debate. Likely? Probably not. But is Bush a new low? Did he embarrass the shit out of himself last week? Absolutely. Now even the rubes know their candidate's a dipshit. So go ahead and support him as part of the party line, but don't insult anyone's intelligence by auggesting he's actually a good candidate. The man's in further over his head than anyone in history.

The bold part, while disturbingly evocative, I don't quite understand. What is link? How does one find it in one's ass crack?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by dtb
The bold part, while disturbingly evocative, I don't quite understand. What is link? How does one find it in one's ass crack?

I think its lint.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Another polling graphic:



Sorry it's so big. I don't even pretend to understand this guy's methodology, but the chart is cool.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by dtb
The bold part, while disturbingly evocative, I don't quite understand. What is link? How does one find it in one's ass crack?

Shouldn't be so hard to find, DTB. It's LINK for Chrissakes!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Shouldn't be so hard to find, DTB. It's LINK for Chrissakes!

Exactly. Link is also frequently found in the navel...

[SlaveNoMore]

I love how the media gives Kerry a pass on stupidity like this:

From Geraghty:

The Washington Times passes on a bit from Knight-Ridder:

Knight Ridder reporter Tom Fitzgerald, covering Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign, filed this tidbit Sunday from a campaign stop in Ohio:

"At one point, Kerry seemed a little irony-challenged. He greeted a young man in a 'Titanic Swim Team' T-shirt and asked what events he swam. The embarrassed kid said he was actually on his high school track team. 'So you stole the shirt?' Kerry joked. 'I thought you were on the swim team. You faked me out there.' "

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I love how the media gives Kerry a pass on stupidity like this:

From Geraghty:

Knight-Ridder and the Washington Post reported it, undercutting your apparent complaint about media inattention to Kerry's foibles. If you want a media source that goes over the top in trashing him, just watch FOX.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Knight-Ridder and the Washington Post reported it, undercutting your apparent complaint about media inattention to Kerry's foibles.

Um, it said the Washington Times.

As usual, WaPo and the NYT felt compelled to look the other way.

CBS is planning an expose on how Karl Rove gave the kid the shirt to set him up.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I love how the media gives Kerry a pass on stupidity like this:

From Geraghty:

Oil is over $50 a barrel.

CNN is reporting that a 45 year old woman just dropped dead two days after learning her son died in Iraq.

Yahoo: Today's report on jobs showed a slowdown in hiring with the biggest increase in cuts in 8 months.

Anyone other than Herman Munster would be jogging backwards through the finish line. Its amazing.