Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 88

Secret_Agent_Man · 03-25-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Little secret, when I awarded you the Gilligan name, no one asked me why GGG.

Its because his name starts with "G", right?

S_A_M

Gattigap · 03-25-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Yes. First, suspect Manhattanites.

Man, that's the coldest thing I've ever heard you say about Ironweed.

Gattigap · 03-25-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Its because his name starts with "G", right?

S_A_M

Shit, I hope not.

bilmore · 03-25-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Have you lost your faith, brother? Take heart!

Will not Terri Schiavo survive if the Lord wills it? Indeed, no power on this Earth could stop Terri from rising from her bed and dancing through the streets singing His praises were the Lord to reach out his hand.

If there is no miracle in that hospice room -- it will not be for lack of prayer. Sometimes the Lord answers "No."

If Terri Schiavo passes from this Earth, will it not be a reflection of God's will? Is not fifteen years in a hospital bed -- floating in a strange limbo between life and death -- sufficient time before Ms. Schiavo may proceed to her reward?

We should not presume to know the will of the Lord, and should not presume that the results we desire are meet in His eyes. May his will, not ours, be done.

S_A_M

Sometimes, when they ask if you want that extra shot, you should demur. I know it can make me jittery, too.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-25-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
You and me both. And I've been here a bit longer than you (though I am really more of an FB kinda guy than a Politics kinda guy).

Anyway, my take on it is that they're socks. We're not mainstream enough to have true trolls.

Many of the socks hereabout display a certain florid style that betrays their common origins, if you know what I mean. Best not to let the different names and avatars get in the way of a deeper appreciation of Who is writing What.

t. (this was initially posted on http://talkingpointsmemo.com) s.

Sidd Finch · 03-25-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I am confused here?

Chad and Free Terri are Socks. Correct?

Or is one a real person and the other one is a sock having fun with the real person and egging them on?

On one hand I can't believe that someone would be stupid enough to use this type of language and line of argument to try and change the minds of a bunch of a lawyers. The language is way to exageratted and over the top to be real.

On the other hand, I have met a lot of fruit loops in politics, and there may be people this stupid and crazy out there.

But on the other hand, if they were this crazy and stupid the moderators would block them. Correct?

Or on the other hand, are the moderators letting these fruitloops continuing to post so we can all have something laugh at. I have to admit is fun waiting to see what these two are going to post next.

But again, I heard that it is conventional wisdom that the first person to use a reference to Nazi's loses the argument. With all these references to Nazism, they have to be a sock correct?

Can someone enlighten me?

You are over-thinking this. In general, when you see a post flecked with virtual saliva, just think "Penske has another sock" and move on.

Hank Chinaski · 03-25-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You are over-thinking this. In general, when you see a post flecked with virtual saliva, just think "Penske has another sock" and move on.

Not penske. wild-eyed religous guy has appeared here from time to time under various monikers. It may well be a primary that changes, but my bet is it's a low-posting Fashion boarder who doesn't want to enter ther fray here directly. I have a few suspects in mind.

sgtclub · 03-25-2005, 03:15 PM

From Glenn:

But I do think that process, and the Constitution, matter. Trampling the Constitution in an earnest desire to do good in high-profile cases has been a hallmark of a certain sort of liberalism, and it's the sort of thing that I thought conservatives eschewed. If I were in charge of making the decision, I might well put the tube back and turn Terri Schiavo over to her family. But I'm not, and the Florida courts are, and they seem to have done a conscientious job. Maybe they came to the right decision, and maybe they didn't. But respecting their role in the system, and not rushing to overturn all the rules because we don't like the outcome, seems to me to be part of being a member of civilized society rather than a mob. As I say, I thought conservatives knew this.

Diane_Keaton · 03-25-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You are over-thinking this. In general, when you see a post flecked with virtual saliva, just think "Penske has another sock" and move on.

I have an immature sense of humor, but I think these strident, Elian-photo-filled socks are amusing, fun reads. My guess on their author(s):

Slave
The Flower
Flinty
Wild Card: Sebby

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-25-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
From Glenn:

But I do think that process, and the Constitution, matter. Trampling the Constitution in an earnest desire to do good in high-profile cases has been a hallmark of a certain sort of liberalism, and it's the sort of thing that I thought conservatives eschewed. If I were in charge of making the decision, I might well put the tube back and turn Terri Schiavo over to her family. But I'm not, and the Florida courts are, and they seem to have done a conscientious job. Maybe they came to the right decision, and maybe they didn't. But respecting their role in the system, and not rushing to overturn all the rules because we don't like the outcome, seems to me to be part of being a member of civilized society rather than a mob. As I say, I thought conservatives knew this.

Another point that deserves to be repeated is that for all the crap that some conservatives have spouted in the last few years about the sanctity of marraige, when it comes to the decision about whether Terry Schiavo would have wanted to be kept alive for years in a vegetative state, cultural conservatives have ignored what her husband said, trashed him publicly in the worst way, and tried to take the decision away from him. Sanctity of marriage my ass.

eta crucial word

Diane_Keaton · 03-25-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Another point that deserves to be repeated is that for all the crap that some conservatives have spouted in the last few years about the sanctity of marraige, when it comes to the decision about whether Terry Schiavo would have wanted to be kept alive for years in a vegetative state, cultural conservatives have ignored what her husband said, trashed him publicly in the worst way, and tried to take the decision away from him. Sanctity of marriage my ass.

eta crucial word

Yeah it is pretty crappy for all those red staters not to respect the sanctity of Michael Schiavo's marriage when the disrepecting is going on when he is living with (effectively) his new wife and children. Not saying it makes him a bad person. But if someone doesn't respect the "sanctity" of this marriage, you shouldn't get all hot and bothered about it.

ETA: yeah the bloggers and all shouldn't have trashed his motives without looking more into it and some have apologized. But knock it off with this other stuff.

sgtclub · 03-25-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Yeah it is pretty crappy for all those red staters not to respect the sanctity of Michael Schiavo's marriage when the disrepecting is going on when he is living with (effectively) his new wife and children. Not saying it makes him a bad person. But if someone doesn't respect the "sanctity" of this marriage, you shouldn't get all hot and bothered about it.

ETA: yeah the bloggers and all shouldn't have trashed his motives without looking more into it and some have apologized. But knock it off with this other stuff.

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Tyrone Slothrop · 03-25-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Yeah it is pretty crappy for all those red staters not to respect the sanctity of Michael Schiavo's marriage when the disrepecting is going on when he is living with (effectively) his new wife and children. Not saying it makes him a bad person. But if someone doesn't respect the "sanctity" of this marriage, you shouldn't get all hot and bothered about it.

ETA: yeah the bloggers and all shouldn't have trashed his motives without looking more into it and some have apologized. But knock it off with this other stuff.

I don't know the details about Michael Schiavo's relationship and kids, but I guess the man should have just put his life on hold while conservatives trashed him and forced Terry Schiavo to persist in a vegetative state all these years, notwithstanding his view -- and the courts' -- of her wishes. Keeping her alive in a brain-dead condition is clearly more important than letting him live his life. Silly him for not understanding that his role in his was to let Tom DeLay's new pals fuck him up the ass for their own political purposes for all these years.

ETA: If I understand the facts right, she went into a coma in Feb. 1990. He was living with her parents until more than two years later, May 1992. (This alone leads me to question whether he has some brain damage.) He and the parents have a falling out in early 1993. One of the Freepers tells me that he moved in with this other woman two years later in 1995.

I don't know what any of y'all's marriages are like, but my wife and I have been pretty clear with each other that if one of us falls into a persistent vegetative state, the period of time during which the other is expected to cohabit with the in-laws and pine by the bedside instead of getting out there and living one's life is to be less than five years. But then, that's a question of the relationship between husband and wife, and we've pretty much established that conservatives are less interested in protecting the sanctity of that relationship than in telling the rest of us how that relationship and the rest of our lives are to be run.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 03-25-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
that conservatives are less interested in protecting the sanctity of that relationship than in telling the rest of us how that relationship and the rest of our lives are to be run.

uh, you ought to insert a "some" after the first that.

or, insert "like liberals have been for years," after the last and.

bilmore · 03-25-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know the details about Michael Schiavo's relationship and kids, but I guess the man should have just put his life on hold while conservatives trashed him and forced Terry Schiavo to persist in a vegetative state all these years, notwithstanding his view -- and the courts' -- of her wishes. Keeping her alive in a brain-dead condition is clearly more important than letting him live his life. Silly him for not understanding that his role in his was to let Tom DeLay's new pals fuck him up the ass for their own political purposes for all these years.

If there's a bright spot out of all of this, it's that it has fostered continued polite and respectful dialogue about the issues. I know that I am always more inclined to give a listen to someone who is respectful than to someone who calls people in my party stupid, evil ass-fuckers over and over and over and . . .