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06-27-2007, 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Why should our radio airwaves be highjacked by the 2 party system that has highjacked our government? In practice, what would happen is that there would be a DEM view and a GOP view, and at some point these would become proxies (even more so than they currently are) for the 2 parties. On top of that, the fairness doctrine is obsolete in that there are now so many different distribution channels for ideas, such that the fact that one medium may be "controlled" by one ideology (e.g., radio) does not prohibit other views from being distributed via other mediums (e.g., print).
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From what I can see, at an editorial level we're down to two or three terrestrial radio networks, and now have four viable television networks, and three or four significant print media conglomerates. The internet's the wild west, but the traditional media is very concentrated and getting more so. Telling them its a good idea to have diverse voices on public airwaves is worth thinking about, given that we're licensing them that limited space.
But, more than anything else, I'd really like to see Fox handle this one. It would just be so entertaining.
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06-27-2007, 04:30 PM
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If You Can't Beat Em, Pass a Law
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
anyone with antitrust views on the XM Sirius merger? I can see problems with it, but the reality of the market is that it is heavily cars, and each manufacturer is picking one platform or the other. I would like to see them co-operate enough to at least have a common platform so you can pick one or the other, or both, for your car.
I mean there are people probably not buying GM and getting Chrsyler because they like howard better than O&A.
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I'll bet GM and Chrysler like having two sellers of pre-installed wiring kits, though. Easier to keep costs down . . .
I'm not sure whether satellite radio is a separate "market" in the antitrust sense. Too many other things to switch to, many of which are free. That said, I don't know the facts of the case.
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06-27-2007, 04:34 PM
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From what I can see, at an editorial level we're down to two or three terrestrial radio networks, and now have four viable television networks, and three or four significant print media conglomerates. The internet's the wild west, but the traditional media is very concentrated and getting more so. Telling them its a good idea to have diverse voices on public airwaves is worth thinking about, given that we're licensing them that limited space.
But, more than anything else, I'd really like to see Fox handle this one. It would just be so entertaining.
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Oddly enough, I'd like to see how ABC, CBS, NBC, UPN, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and BBC America all handle this one.
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06-27-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm not sure whether satellite radio is a separate "market" in the antitrust sense.
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So are you in private practice now? Because this is the first thing every anti-trust guy in private practice always seems to say about anything at all.
Speaking as a non-anti-trust lawyer, I've come to the conclusion that markets don't really exist at all.
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06-27-2007, 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Oddly enough, I'd like to see how ABC, CBS, NBC, UPN, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and BBC America all handle this one.
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Does UPN exist anymore?
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06-27-2007, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Oddly enough, I'd like to see how ABC, CBS, NBC, UPN, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and BBC America all handle this one.
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3 of those are owned by GE, and I believe CBS owns UPN.
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06-27-2007, 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
3 of those are owned by GE, and I believe CBS owns UPN.
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CBS shut it down.
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06-27-2007, 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
CBS shut it down.
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Isn't CBS part of Viacom?
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06-27-2007, 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So are you in private practice now? Because this is the first thing every anti-trust guy in private practice always seems to say about anything at all.
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This shows you're not really in the know. As Ty can confirm, that's also the same thing federal antitrust enforcers say too.
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06-27-2007, 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
This shows you're not really in the know. As Ty can confirm, that's also the same thing federal antitrust enforcers say too.
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I don't talk to them. So the private practice guys are right?
Wow. That must have cost a lot of campaign contributions.
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06-27-2007, 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So he's talking about less Top40, more Alt/Country?
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Who said he's talking about radio?
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06-27-2007, 05:28 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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If You Can't Beat Em, Pass a Law
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Television and print media is so uber-left, why would they bother?
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National TV is not a problem because there are so many cable stations, and while cable would not be subject to the Fairness Doctrine (IIRC) because it doesn't involve the airwaves, it provides diversity. I thought local TV was the problem.
Print media has nothing do with the Fairness Doctrine.
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06-27-2007, 05:30 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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If You Can't Beat Em, Pass a Law
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Why should our radio airwaves be highjacked by the 2 party system that has highjacked our government? In practice, what would happen is that there would be a DEM view and a GOP view, and at some point these would become proxies (even more so than they currently are) for the 2 parties. On top of that, the fairness doctrine is obsolete in that there are now so many different distribution channels for ideas, such that the fact that one medium may be "controlled" by one ideology (e.g., radio) does not prohibit other views from being distributed via other mediums (e.g., print).
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I agree that the two-party thing is a problem with the Fairness Doctrine. No every issue has only (or as many as) two sides.
As I said above, the doctrine is not necessarily obsolete because there are more media.
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06-27-2007, 05:32 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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If You Can't Beat Em, Pass a Law
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
This shows you're not really in the know. As Ty can confirm, that's also the same thing federal antitrust enforcers say too.
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The state antitrust enforcers say it too.
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06-27-2007, 05:37 PM
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Serenity Now
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If You Can't Beat Em, Pass a Law
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'll bet GM and Chrysler like having two sellers of pre-installed wiring kits, though. Easier to keep costs down . . .
I'm not sure whether satellite radio is a separate "market" in the antitrust sense. Too many other things to switch to, many of which are free. That said, I don't know the facts of the case.
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I think it's the same issue that was brought up with the TV pay satellite services went through the process.
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