Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you grabbed a retard

Psssst. Hank, over here.
In light of who our guy is, perhaps you might want to choose your words describing Kerry a bit more carefully, KWIM?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Kerry is you guys grasping at straws because it became clear your front-runner was insane. Rather than look carefully for someone who could win, you grabbed a retard. Outside Mass. Kerry is not electable. Take your campaign chest, try and win some senate seats, please.

Exactly. Three things to note for the moment on the topic at hand. The Independent and the Scotsman have both picked the story up now. Kerry is supposedly scheduled as a guest on Don Imus in the morning (I'm gonna have to torture myself to watch).

And one of the above-noted papers summarized the recent releases on Kerry, that include:
1.) Pictures of him sitting 3 rows behind Hanoi Jane (thanks Not_Me) at what can only be termed an anti-war meeting/rally with generosity;
2.) A 1970 article where Kerry said the U.S. should turn Vietnam over to U.N. command, and all worldwide deployments should be done under the same auspices. Think carefully back to those times and who is on the Security Council and the tendencies of the majority of states in the U.N. Any questions?
3.) And now this.

The machine has barely started on this guy. Though none of it is needed, it just hammers home the emptiness of the democratic party. The Nancy Pelosi leadership position should have clued the rest of you in, if not 11 years of Clinton exposure.

Hello

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sgtclub
WSJ has picked it up. It's now mainstream and the rest will have to carry it.

It is not on their top stories on the web site -- what did they do, mention the rumor in their Campaign Notebook or something, doing a story on the story to avoid being the first with a nonstory?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Exactly. Three things to note for the moment on the topic at hand. The Independent and the Scotsman have both picked the story up now. Kerry is supposedly scheduled as a guest on Don Imus in the morning (I'm gonna have to torture myself to watch).

And one of the above-noted papers summarized the recent releases on Kerry, that include:
1.) Pictures of him sitting 3 rows behind Hanoi Jane (thanks Not_Me) at what can only be termed an anti-war meeting/rally with generosity;
2.) A 1970 article where Kerry said the U.S. should turn Vietnam over to U.N. command, and all worldwide deployments should be done under the same auspices. Think carefully back to those times and who is on the Security Council and the tendencies of the majority of states in the U.N. Any questions?
3.) And now this.

The machine has barely started on this guy. Though none of it is needed, it just hammers home the emptiness of the democratic party. The Nancy Pelosi leadership position should have clued the rest of you in, if not 11 years of Clinton exposure.

Hello

You are starting to show signs of a sense of humor here.

[Not Me]

This is actually a legal question, not a political debate.

I just did a bit of research into the injunction that the judge in NY ordered barring enforcement of the partial birth abortion ban. He issued the injunction because of the lack of an exception to protect the health of the mother. He also noted that there is a lack of consensus regarding whether it is ever necessary to protect the health of the mother to use an intact D&X. I believe the judge has it right on that - that there is a lack of consensus.

So it seems to me that the whole case is going to be about whether there are other procedures that can be used that are just as safe for the mother's health.

What happens to the plaintiff's case if the DOJ is not allowed access to the medical records that form the basis of the opinions of the plaintiff physicians that there are instances that an intact D&X is the safest procedure? Will they be able to testify to that if the DOJ is denied access to the medical evidence on which these opinions are based?

This is not a situation where you can point to objective clinical trials, because there aren't any. All you have are the opinions of one group of doctors vs. another group and these opinions are based on their personal experience as doctors, but not on clinical trials.

It seems to me to be unfair to let a doctor testify that he has a professional opinion regarding this without giving DOJ access to the evidence that forms the basis for the doc's opinion. Especially since this is a fundamental rights case, the burden of persuasion is on the state, not the plaintiff.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
You are starting to show signs of a sense of humor here.

Puhleeze dude, I *know* the person who points out things like irony and reverse sarcasm to *some* of the posters here when they definitely don't catch it themselves. Along those lines, I promise I'll let them know when you say something funny. It might take some convincing to get the to believe it though.

All three of the points I made are true according to a newspaper report today. Along those lines, one good way of keeping up with which papers and sites are picking this story up is to go to Google.com, hit the news tab, and enter a search for something like "Kerry infidelity" (without the quotes of course). It returns 8 positive and relevant hits last I checked.

But hey, if you think the American electorate won't see something negative in pictures of Kerry and his boofant of both 33 years ago and today sitting in close proximity to HJ, indicating the commonality of their beliefs for which she became one of the most hated people in America, than have at it.

Or his interview from that era where he advocated turning over the Vietnam war to China and Russia. Yeah, y'all really want that article being shown at VFW hall meetings. Indeedy three greedy.

Or now, Kerry boinking an 18 or 19 or 20 year old girl and then telling her to flee the country before she ruins his campaign. I loved the quote I read today where someone indicated that the Kerry campaign was prepared for this, and that the Kerry campaign had told the leaders of the Democratic party that they could handle this (before the story broke). Yes indeed, we've got it well in hand Bubba, we'll just send her to Mozambique or Sudan on a vacation for a few years, maybe ten. Its supposed to be nice all year round in that area, sorta like most of California. We're so smart, you wish you'd thought of that way back when, don't you?

Hello

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
But hey, if you think the American electorate won't see something negative in pictures of Kerry and his boofant of both 33 years ago and today sitting in close proximity to HJ, indicating the commonality of their beliefs for which she became one of the most hated people in America, than have at it.

I actually don't think that photo is a big deal in the election except to veterans and current military. I think everyone else will forgive that given that Kerry is a vietnam veteran himself. If it were a draft-dodger like Bill Clinton, it would be different. And I say that as someone who cannot stand Hanoi Jane. I just find it hard to transfer the revulsion I feel for her to a decorated war veteran, even if he did throw away his medals. But if I were a vietnam vet, I think I would be angry at Kerry.

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Or now, Kerry boinking an 18 or 19 or 20 year old girl and then telling her to flee the country before she ruins his campaign.

I think if this is true, it really does hurt Kerry because it is so Clintonesque.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
This is actually a legal question, not a political debate.

I just did a bit of research into the injunction that the judge in NY ordered barring enforcement of the partial birth abortion ban . . . .

Good god, man. Have you always been independently wealthy? Where can I get summa dat?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Have you always been independently wealthy?

Yes, but if my mom had aborted me, I would be dead. However, what does my wealth have to do with anything?

Have you been drinking again?

Speaking of drinking, where is Ty? I hate when people have to work.

[Not Me]

Have any of you been to John Kerry's website? I was there tonight and they have a forum and on the forum there was a thread about the Drudge Report allegations. Some people were obnoxious on both sides of the debate. But the majority of people posting were reasonable.

They deleted the thread. Admin claimed that there were no facts alleged and just a smear and that is why they weren't responding.

[Hank Chinaski]

Howard Stern was playing some Zell at hearings about Janet Jackson's tittie.
Umm...turns out he's nuts..... he sez "Valueless Moonves of the Pagan temple of Viacom."
I'm hoping the other stuff (you know, before, about elections) he said was accurate.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Janet Jackson's tittie.

I know the nipple gadget was horrifyingly ugly, but what did people think about the titty itself? I really think she should stick to only showing her tits when they can be airbrushed and digitally altered as needed.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
This is actually a legal question, not a political debate.

. . .

So it seems to me that the whole case is going to be about whether there are other procedures that can be used that are just as safe for the mother's health.

Whatever it is, why are judges deciding what is medically necessary rather than doctors? Is every doctor Nick Riviera or something? YOu appear to acknowledge that reasonable medical minds can disagree about the necessity of a procedure in a given case. Why, then, should we have a judge be the ultimate arbiter of this question?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
1.) Pictures of him sitting 3 rows behind Hanoi Jane (thanks Not_Me) at what can only be termed an anti-war meeting/rally with generosity;

Won't mean much. Most of that generation were sitting, at some point, in those antiwar rallies. Hell, I'm a raving conservative, and I've got a picture of me talking to Jane Fonda in some box in my basement.

2.) A 1970 article where Kerry said the U.S. should turn Vietnam over to U.N. command, and all worldwide deployments should be done under the same auspices. Think carefully back to those times and who is on the Security Council and the tendencies of the majority of states in the U.N.

Again, sign of the times. Back then, we just knew that the military-industrial complex was the root of all evil, and had to be stopped, and that the best drag on our unfettered aggression was to temper it with the staid and sane wisdom of the europeans. (We did a lot of drugs back then, too.) So, if this is explained in context, no big deal.

3.) And now this.

I bet this is gone in two weeks, with maybe some quiet hints being dropped, and some nasty comments constantly interjected in conversation (like the "Bush lied" thing - some will use it, without foundation, as a sort of throwaway line in order, not to convey info, but to manufacture a tone.)

I give Kerry about a 40% chance at unseating Bush, and I don't think he suffers much from those three points. His waffling and willingness to say whatever his current audience will applaud will cause him much more grief.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Howard Stern was playing some Zell at hearings about Janet Jackson's tittie.

Well, he also said this. (Or one of his LA's wrote this for him)

The thing that yanked my chain the hardest was seeing this ignoramus with his pointed head stuck up through the hole he had cut in the flag of the United States of America, yelling about having 'a bottle of Scotch and watching lots of crotch.' . . . This is the same flag we pledge allegiance to, the same flag that is draped over the coffins of dead, young, uniformed warriors killed while protecting Kid Crock's bony butt. He should be tarred and feathered and ridden out of this country on a rail. Now, there's you a good reality show.