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ThurgreedMarshall · 10-19-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Again, I don't know how the rules were written and neither do you. None of the other contestants objected at all to the way the over budget issue was handled, and none of them looked particularly surprised about it. It could say "you are not allowed to present a collection budgeted over $8,000" (as I believe they were written, and as how the show played it out) instead of "you are not allowed to submit a collection budgeted over $8,000. Submission of the collection will occur one day before the presentation of the collection." (as you advocate).

The judges did not have an opportunity to take a look at the over-budget collection, so the extra that Jeffery had brought with him was thoroughly irrelevant to the outcome, except to the extent it counted against him when they were told about it.

Sure, you can explain it away by saying you need to see the rules. But I wonder if you really think the rules allow for what he tried to do or if you think the show just wanted to put his collection out there.

The judges are not in a position to gauge how much Jeffrey spent once the collection hits the runway, so there has to be a point where the collection is being submitted beforehand. Now, if you think the rules say that they can do whatever they want before formally showing, meaning an attempt to submit receipts for more than $8,000 will be met with the show allowing each contestant to simply pull a piece that will put them within the $8,000 limit, okay. Maybe so. We'll agree to disagree. But that would be outrageously stupid since that would be essentially the same as saying, "We think you are incapable of adding on your own."

Also, he tried to sneak in a piece he didn't have a receipt for. I suppose, as you see it, as long as it isn't presented on the runway, he can try to sneak it past without fear of punishment.

Why do you think he was so nervous and then relieved when the show let him go? He knew he tried to get away with some shit and he did.

I don't understand your last point at all. It was only irrelevant because they let it slide. If he had his way, he would have presented using everything that he could, putting him at an advantage. The only distinction you're making is that he got caught before the runway show. If he had been caught after or during, you would be okay with him getting the boot. But you can't possibly be arguing that he didn't get caught trying to bend or break (depending on how you look at it) the rules.

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Hank Chinaski · 10-19-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Do you attribute this to your age or to your work ethic? What does one have to do with the other?

her 2300 posts in the last month point to time on her hands- even though she is always working late....hmmmmmmm

nononono · 10-19-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Again, I don't know how the rules were written and neither do you. None of the other contestants objected at all to the way the over budget issue was handled, and none of them looked particularly surprised about it. It could say "you are not allowed to present a collection budgeted over $8,000" (as I believe they were written, and as how the show played it out) instead of "you are not allowed to submit a collection budgeted over $8,000. Submission of the collection will occur one day before the presentation of the collection." (as you advocate).

The judges did not have an opportunity to take a look at the over-budget collection, so the extra that Jeffery had brought with him was thoroughly irrelevant to the outcome, except to the extent it counted against him when they were told about it.

The world would be a much better place if people just followed the fucking rules instead of trying to weasel around them. We shouldn't need lawyers to go on for pages when the contestants were just supposed to spend $8k or less. Violation should have been a DQ, regardless of relative merit, but the point is, the idiots should have just followed the damn rules.

Hank Chinaski · 10-19-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I would like to know the definition of "old bag." Over 40? Over 50? Over 60? I would just like to know when my work ethic is going to get even worse than it is.

Get in line. Spanky is still waiting to hear if he is too old, under your guidelines.

notcasesensitive · 10-19-2006, 12:40 PM

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I wasn't even all that impressed with Jeffrey's collection. I think Uli would have won it hands down if she would have swapped out the fabric on the last couple of dresses for fabric complementary to the palate she had early in her collection. I really loved her collection, but the ending was not as strong as the beginning. The sad thing is all the judges seemed to love it except for Michael Kors. She will do fine though. She will open her boutique in Miami (if it isn't already open) and have huge call volume/internet sales based on the publicity she received from the show. She is one of the most wearable designers that the show has ever had.

With respect to the over budget thing, didn't something similar happen last season with the shoes for Santino's (I think) collection. I don't recall exactly what happened, but I remember him getting in trouble and still being permitted to show. I think that the producers think that not allowing a designer to show in the finale is overly punitive unless a major infraction that is not curable occurs.

What was up with the music during the runway shows? It totally sucked and I can't believe that the designers were allowed to choose their music because there is no way in hell that Jeffrey would have picked that shit. His models seemed almost dead walking down the runway and I think that affected my opinion of his collection.

Michael was disappointing. Laura was (IMO) a bit boring. But, as Heidi noted, her dresses were beautiful. All hail Queen Uli.

ETA: I think that the shoe thing was that Santino (?) had a friend make him custom shoes to go with his collection and his friend charged him nowhere near what the shoes would cost (now it is coming back to me). Gunn said it was against the rules and the shoes had to go, but Santino was still allowed to present. I think the judges were informed too. Sort of analogous, I think. I do agree that the judges should have penalized Jeffrey for the infraction, and I do recall it being discussed, but apparently they didn't think it was a serious enough problem to keep him from winning. I think that they were wrong, but what can you do? Stupid fucking Michael Kors with his anti-Uli bias.

patentparanyc · 10-19-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Mmmm, Afghan food is so yummy.

On the paralegal, how come no one's acknowledging the OP's role in this mess? Sure, maybe the paralegal sucked, but by handling it that way it sounds, it was made worse. I like the TM approach - give her the work; if it's not right, give it back until it is correct. This is frustrating, and you'll have to set artificial deadlines. But is she at least responsive? I have a para who is minimally so, in part due to my own failure to establish the proper dynamic. I am working to remedy this, but it's a pain in the ass. Problem is, she generally does it right, so I can't say too much.

Now, my secretary is another story. Thank fucking God I'm getting a new one soon. The secretary filling in for mine was practically in tears the other day over the disaster that is my admin's workspace and the deplorable state of my contacts database and other important thing. Plus, she's a fucking snoop. Whew, sorry, I needed that.

My boss told me the other day that he felt I was totally overqualified for this job and that as soon as I open my mouth you can tell I have it together and that I am a very together person. I was very touched. Seriously, he's a joy to work with and we always discuss so many things together, he's a doll.

Replaced_Texan · 10-19-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sure, you can explain it away by saying you need to see the rules. But I wonder if you really think the rules allow for what he tried to do or if you think the show just wanted to put his collection out there.

The judges are not in a position to gauge how much Jeffrey spent once the collection hits the runway, so there has to be a point where the collection is being submitted beforehand. Now, if you think the rules say that they can do whatever they want before formally showing, meaning an attempt to submit receipts for more than $8,000 will be met with the show allowing each contestant to simply pull a piece that will put them within the $8,000 limit, okay. Maybe so. We'll agree to disagree. But that would be outrageously stupid since that would be essentially the same as saying, "We think you are incapable of adding on your own."

Also, he tried to sneak in a piece he didn't have a receipt for. I suppose, as you see it, as long as it isn't presented on the runway, he can try to sneak it past without fear of punishment.

Why do you think he was so nervous and then relieved when the show let him go? He knew he tried to get away with some shit and he did.

I don't understand your last point at all. It was only irrelevant because they let it slide. If he had his way, he would have presented using everything that he could, putting him at an advantage. The only distinction you're making is that he got caught before the runway show. If he had been caught after or during, you would be okay with him getting the boot. But you can't possibly be arguing that he didn't get caught trying to bend or break (depending on how you look at it) the rules.

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I don't know how it works. I said that. They submit receipts before hand and then are told whether or not things make it. According to an interview on Bravo.com, Jeffery said that Tim told him to bring extra stuff because you never know what will happen and changes may have to be made. Was the extra stuff included in the receipts he submitted? I don't know. Was the honor system expected? It doesn't seem to be the case. I never watched the finales for the other seasons, so I don't know if this has ever been an issue before.

It seemed to me, though, that no one had a problem with it and it was handled so the rules were followed for the judges. You seem to be upset that he tried to get away with something. He didn't get away with anything, and he was penalized.

Given something that Michael Kors said to Laura, I suspect that she got extra points for staying well within budget and appearing to have exceeded it significantly, so it played both ways.

bold_n_brazen · 10-19-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
My boss told me the other day that he felt I was totally overqualified for this job and that as soon as I open my mouth you can tell I have it together and that I am a very together person. I was very touched. Seriously, he's a joy to work with and we always discuss so many things together, he's a doll.

Stop it. Not every post is an opportunity to tell us how great you are.

None of us believes you anyway. For about a hundred different reasons.

Cue TM.

patentparanyc · 10-19-2006, 12:47 PM

It has come to my attn that a few of you are not aware I invoked my ignore feature. It is an amazing feature that cuts out the wheat from the chaff for me, much more enoyable board exp.

mmm

Hank Chinaski · 10-19-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I don't know if Thurgreed knows how the rules were written and neither do you.

someone should ask Str8 to go to that museum on his lunch hour today. long shot maybe, but there could be early drafts of the rules in the collections.

dtb · 10-19-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I am very fond of Afghan food. There's a great one in my neighborhood. Trouble is the A/C kept breaking down in the summer so now I just get delivery from it.

The Afghan Kebab House is one of my favorite takeout places. Wouldn't you know that when I moved from the apartment where I lived during and after law school, they opened one up in the neighborhood.

It's probably good that they waited for me to move. Otherwise, I'd weigh about 280 pounds by now.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-19-2006, 12:57 PM

This whole discrimination lawsuit being brought by Chris Rock's mom is ridiculous. I'll admit I don't know the facts of the other instances of discrimination and maybe this is a deep problem within their company. But from the explanation she gave (that you can watch on cnn.com), she has a very weak argument.

She was overlooked during a shift change (Cracker Barrel asserts -- and which makes sense because she said she got there for a late lunch, early dinner) and when she brought it to the attention of the manager, he apologized and offered to get her a free meal, expedited. Now, what the fuck else do you want?

And are you telling me that you've been there many times before, have always received good service and this one time they fuck up means they have an institutional problem? Come on. She sounds spoiled and oversensitive to me. I'm sure this has happened to everyone on this board at some point. You go in and someone forgets about you and others get served first. Suck it up. Or complain and make it clear you won't go back. This is the type of shit that allows jackasses to overlook real claims.

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patentparanyc · 10-19-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This whole discrimination lawsuit being brought by Chris Rock's mom is ridiculous. I'll admit I don't know the facts of the other instances of discrimination and maybe this is a deep problem within their company. But from the explanation she gave (that you can watch on cnn.com), she has a very weak argument.

She was overlooked during a shift change (Cracker Barrel asserts -- and which makes sense because she said she got there for a late lunch, early dinner) and when she brought it to the attention of the manager, he apologized and offered to get her a free meal, expedited. Now, what the fuck else do you want?

And are you telling me that you've been there many times before, have always received good service and this one time they fuck up means they have an institutional problem? Come on. She sounds spoiled and oversensitive to me. I'm sure this has happened to everyone on this board at some point. You go in and someone forgets about you and others get served first. Suck it up. Or complain and make it clear you won't go back. This is the type of shit that allows jackasses to overlook real claims.

TM

Cracker Barrel is not known for its seamless service. These shift change issues are regardless of race color and creed.

If you want your ass buffed go to an ass buffing type of high end rest. There, money is green and it has no friends.

Retard · 10-19-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Stop it. Not every post is an opportunity to tell us how great you are.

None of us believes you anyway. For about a hundred different reasons.

Cue TM.

I don't get it.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-19-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
My boss told me the other day that he felt I was totally overqualified for this job and that as soon as I open my mouth you can tell I have it together and that I am a very together person. I was very touched. Seriously, he's a joy to work with and we always discuss so many things together, he's a doll.

I guess you've never sent him an email.

On a side note, do you honestly think that people who actually have it together are constantly being told that they have it together?

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