Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
www.georgewbush.org

That site, at quick glance, is really deceptive. Free Speech and all....but since the site purports to be a Bush/Cheney site and uses W's name in it, wouldn't there be a decent argument that its misappropriation or something?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Can you tell the quotes from Ted K (the Unabomber) from those of Al Gore?

Well, sure. Both of them are products of a Harvard education. (Like George W. Bush.)

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
That site, at quick glance, is really deceptive. Free Speech and all....but since the site purports to be a Bush/Cheney site and uses W's name in it, wouldn't there be a decent argument that its misappropriation or something?

Are you talking about the common law tort of misappropriation of identity/right of publicity? If so, the main issue there to be determined is are they engaging in political speech (1st amendment protects) or is it a commercial venture (more likely to be able to sue under right of publicity).

The typical right of publicity case involves a celebrity (not a political figure) having his or her image/name associated with a product for the purpose of increasing the sales of the product.

The First Amendment is hard to trump when you are talking about non-commercial political speech. Defamation will trump the First Amendment, but the standard to show defamation is high for public figures.

Now had they trademarked their logo and if that site was using the trademarked logo, that might be a good case.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[SlaveNoMore]

Adder
What's unproven about, "No one knows where he was?"

Um, the fact that it was disproven time and time again?

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop

"And so I say to you, my good friends here in great state of North Carolina [drag - cough, cough], just like my pal Al Gore, I too ...[drag - cough, cough], I raised tobacco. ... With my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds... ...[drag - cough, cough], I've hoed it. I've chopped it. I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it...."

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

"So I say to you today, my friends here at NORML, yes I did INHALE!"

aV

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Investigators later determined that the microphone, manufactured by Haliburton, had been set to burst into flames when the words "Viet Nam" were spoken into it. The candidate perished in a ball of fire seven seconds into his speech to the Rotarians.

[bilmore]

Terrorists hope to defeat Bush through Iraq violence

By Borzou Daragahi
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

BAGHDAD — Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.

"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, [Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John] Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the resistance.

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[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You've dumbed down 1. beyond all recognition. And the key to understand why your 2. is wrong is the word "instead." Wilson's credibility has been challenged on some peripheral issues that have nothing to do with what matters about WMD or Niger. It only matters if you are trying to beat up Wilson and distract attention from the bogusness of the idea that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger for the nuclear program we now know it did not have.

That's the absolute truth, and it is the key to why your treatment of the Wilson imbroglio so bothers me.

Here's another way to put it:

Wilson sez: "I found out X, and the administration did not accurately report it. The administration also did bad thing Y to my spouse when I objected."

GOP and Bilmore sez: "Well, you're a lying liar, because you made statement Q about Z!"

Wilson and S_A_M: What about X and Y?

GOP: "You might be wrong on X, we still don't know, even though we sent you as our investigator we didn't like your answer, and Y was not a crime, we think, but we don't know who did Y, and we won't tell you, but if they did it, they didn't mean any harm and it was OK because you're a lying liar. So lets spend a couple of million on an investigation."

How is that _not_ changing the subject? This is just part of the "smear the enemies" campaign, and I'm disappointed that you bought into it so wholeheartedly.

Ty, I have to say that the GOP has the better of it on the Rather/documents issue. It is _not_ changing the subject to say: "But the documents were forgeries." I wince every time you respond by saying: "Well, the subject matter of those forgeries was accurate." It is true, but non-responsive. That is changing the subject.

But then, what do I know about politics? I'd get beat like Dukakis
if I ran for office today.

S_A_M

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by LessinSF
The market is out of touch with the polling data. Get your bets down!

Who would have thought that a market composed primarily of people with a) spare change to bet, b) the equipment with which to access to market, and c) the inclination to give a shit about a model based on economics (in particular market theories) would be collectively biased in one direction?

[sgtclub]

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/art...ing%20Standard

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Stewart ceased becoming a mere comedian when (1) upon learning that 25% of our misinformed youth use his show as their primary news source, he (2) decided to use it as a bully pulpit.

Didn't the study done on his viewers show that they are more educated and informed on current events than the general public and anyone who watches Fox?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
That being said, I thought he was an arrogant dick when I met him back in '96, so my opinion hasn't changing much.

When did you become such a little bitch? Stewart hasn't changed. He's been the same since day one on the Daily Show. They brought him on Crossfire and he kicked their ass. They didn't address his accusations once. And for them and you to hold him to the same standard as everyone should be holding them is outright stupid.

And if you can't admit that Tucker Carlson is a dick who needs a good ass kicking (from any junior high school girl), then I can't believe you when you say that Paigow wasn't the best you could do.

TM

[sgtclub]

The Israeli parliament—in a historic decision—voted Tuesday to back Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s plan to pull Israeli troops and settlements out of Gaza and a tiny portion of the West Bank.

The vote was 67 for, 45 against and seven abstentions. ...

Sharon entered parliament Tuesday afternoon, surrounded by 16 bodyguards, an unprecedented number. Outside, police cordoned off the building, restricting entry, as thousands of settlers gathered in a nearby park to protest the plan.

Protection for Sharon has been beefed up in recent weeks amid growing concern he could by attacked by right-wing extremists.

The withdrawal plan has bitterly divided the nation, and solidified Sharon’s transformation from long-time patron of the Jewish settlers to their No. 1 nemesis.

[sgtclub]

Nine percent of "likely" voters in the ABC News tracking poll say they've voted for president, either by absentee ballot or early voting, a number that's jumped in the last week. Fifty-one percent say they went for George W. Bush, 47 percent for John Kerry.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=199229