Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Whatever it is, why are judges deciding what is medically necessary rather than doctors? Is every doctor Nick Riviera or something? YOu appear to acknowledge that reasonable medical minds can disagree about the necessity of a procedure in a given case. Why, then, should we have a judge be the ultimate arbiter of this question?

Because someone dies as a result of this medical decision. You seem to keep forgetting that. It is because 3 people are involved in an abortion - a mother, a doctor, and an unborn child. The doctor and the mother aren't looking to protect that child (they are looking to abort it) and the state has an interest in that unborn life.

While the constitution protects the mother's ability to abort the fetus, it doesn't give her an unfettered right to dispose of the unborn child in anyway she chooses. Pulling half the body out of the uterus before you suck the brain of the child out is pretty damn close to being born. And if it is not medically necessary to do that, the state has a legitimate interest in regulating that procedure.

This isn't a simple medical decision in which a patient and a doctor decide how to treat an illness of the patient. This is a procedure in which a patient and a doctor decide how to end another's life.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, he also said this.

What is up with the fixation on the flag? I have T-shirts with flags on them and to me, they indicate my patriotism.

How is wearing a flag on your clothing different from wearing a pin with a flag on it? Is it only if the flag is on your ass that it is bad?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me

This isn't a simple medical decision in which a patient and a doctor decide how to treat an illness of the patient. This is a procedure in which a patient and a doctor decide how to end another's life.

Well, I've also never understood how there's a colorable argument that the method of putting someone to death can be cruel and unusual. (other than having it be long and torturous).

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, I've also never understood how there's a colorable argument that the method of putting someone to death can be cruel and unusual. (other than having it be long and torturous).

The unborn child is not a murderer being put to death for a crime. The unborn child had no say in being born and gets no say in how 'em will die and comitted no crimes.

BTW - It is not like a D&E is such a wonderful procedure; it is not. Some abortionists don't even bother to kill the baby humanely prior to dismembering it. Some abortionists do use drugs to kill the baby first because they believe it is the more humane way to end the life of the fetus. But some abortionists believe that there is a slight increase in risk to the mother to inject potassium into the fetal circulation first and so they dismember the fetus alive. I have no idea how they can live with themselves. And I have no idea what kind of a woman would rather allow the baby she is carrying to be chopped up alive because she refused to subject herself to a small amount of risk.

I know some of these late term abortions are done on babies with birth defects, but does having a birth defect make you such a lesser being that you cannot even be killed humanely before you are dismembered? We treat animals better than that.

These late-term abortions aren't done on blobs of cells. They are done on fetuses that have skulls and brains and limbs and will react to stimuli. They even suck their thumbs. And they cannot be bothered to at least kill them first before they chop them up alive.

When that is the kind of stuff that is going on, I think the state does have a legitimate interest in regulating that "medical decision" as you call it. This isn't a decision to treat a toenail fungus. It is a decision to end another's life because it is unwanted by its mother.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
I have T-shirts with flags on them and to me, they indicate my patriotism.

I have yet to see a t-shirt bearing a flag that did not look tawdry. Inevitably, they are airbrushed, used in connection with advertising, or otherwise bastardized such that it represents to me disrespect for the flag.

If you want to show your patriotism, fly a flag at home. And by all means keep them off your ass.

ETA picture: He cut a hole in the middle to stick his head through. Perhaps he can cut it up and sell the remainder as souvenir handkerchiefs. Or thongs.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, he also said this. (Or one of his LA's wrote this for him)

Good times.

Outstanding quote from old Zell -- colorful, passionate, to the point, and (best of all) I pretty much agree.

I've never understood why folks like Kid Rock anyway. His performance (as cited above) has almost as much to do with why MTV will never produce another NFL event as does JJ/JT.

I've never supported an anti-flag burning/desecration amendment, which makes me practically a communist in the American Legion, but it pisses me off to see idiots doing stuff like that and thinking its some kind of patriotic tribute.

S_A_M

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
What is up with the fixation on the flag? I have T-shirts with flags on them and to me, they indicate my patriotism.

How is wearing a flag on your clothing different from wearing a pin with a flag on it? Is it only if the flag is on your ass that it is bad?

Wearing a depiction of the flag on your clothing, while it may raise issues -- is a whole different thing from cutting a hole in the flag and wearing it.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man

I've never understood why folks like Kid Rock anyway. His performance (as cited above) has almost as much to do with why MTV will never produce another NFL event as does JJ/JT.

The hidden nugget from those hearings, and it really surprised me, was that Tagliabue apparently had concerns about the halftime entertainment back in december (or concerns of others were discussed with him). Nonetheless, the show went on.

I had, previously, excused the NFL because I figured CBS/VIacom/NBC had basically said "we'll handle it, don't you worry" and the NFL said "fine, we're in the sports business and halftime is more about the non-sporting crowd sticking around."

I guess Bono and J-Lo singing a song with a political edge doesn't look so bad now.

[Not Me]

What about flag swimsuits? They were all the rage after 9/11. Are those disrespectful?

What if it is not an actual flag, but just stars and stripes?

What if it is a tight T-shirt on a pretty woman?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
It is not on their top stories on the web site -- what did they do, mention the rumor in their Campaign Notebook or something, doing a story on the story to avoid being the first with a nonstory?

Taranto's column - onlinejournal

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
What if it is a tight T-shirt on a pretty woman?

I'm saluting her right now.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Wearing a depiction of the flag on your clothing, while it may raise issues -- is a whole different thing from cutting a hole in the flag and wearing it.

If he had spit on it, I could better see the difference. I don't think he meant it as disrespectful or contemptuous toward America. Maybe I am wrong and he did mean it as an act of disrespect and some sort of anti-American gesture.

While I may have thought Kid Rock was an ass, and I do in fact think that, as long as he wasn't trying to be anti-American, it doesn't bother me.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Me
If he had spit on it, I could better see the difference. I don't think he meant it as disrespectful or contemptuous to America. Maybe I am wrong and he did mean it as an act of disrespect and some sort of anti-American gesture.

He didn't mean it as an act of disrespect, nor do I attribute such motives to anyone wearing a flag. But I think it indecorous. As for your picture, I find that not particularly objectionable, but really because it appears to be a uniform. Except I doubt she's wearing it as a uniform, in which case I find it an objectionable misrepresentation.

But, more generally, it's a flag, not a logo. And nearly every article of clothing treats it as a logo, to be twisted and adjusted to the needs at hand.

And Ihave no problem with people wearing red, white, and blue. At least if they're attractive people.

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
As for your picture, I find that not particularly objectionable, but really because it appears to be a uniform. Except I doubt she's wearing it as a uniform, in which case I find it an objectionable misrepresentation.

A uniform????? Are we looking at the same pic? Hot chick in a white shirt with USA and flag on it and a pair of jeans? And this would be a uniform where?

aV

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
What about flag swimsuits? They were all the rage after 9/11. Are those disrespectful?

Yes, although people did not intend them to be so.

Originally posted by Not Me
What if it is not an actual flag, but just stars and stripes?

That's a whole different issue. No problem

There actually are official and/or semi-official rules regarding the appropriate ways to display, handle, and dispose of the American flag -- which were once much more widely known and observed.

That's why there were a large number of free speech cases in the 1960's and early 1970's involving flag desecration.

S_A_M