Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

Originally posted by bilmore
I wasn't defending the use of the word "kike" at all, except to maybe give ME some credit and think that his use of it was a (bad) way to say "stop with the stereotyping shit". I think ME knows he went too far in anger.

I just think that it's PC as hell for everyone else to jump him without any acknowledgement that the JJLC shit could be (and, as it turns out, was) very offensive to someone else. If you go back and read those particular posts and try to imagine the viewpoint of some true believer, you have to realize that, even though the popular stereotype of the fundamentalist christians is fun and all, it's not true for most, and it's offensive. We can't just be careful to avoid offending popular groups. (Oh, lord, I said that Jews were popular. Somebody's gonna be pissed.)

I dont get it. Jesus said he made the joke bc Jesus was a Jew in response to "are you roman catholic" and then made the footloose comment which was clearly facetious if not that funny. What exactly was so offensive? The fact that Virus misconstrued the joke does not mean that its true intent was offensive. its Virus' fault for not getting it and then responding with a racial slur that sounded explosive from my screen.

[MisterEbola]

Originally posted by purse junkie
No, it's the difference between someone calling me a commie because I'm a vocal left-winger--lunkheaded teasing, or at worst absurd and easily dismissed--and someone calling me a Christ-killer because I'm Jewish--ignorant hate-mongering.

That's your read because you felt that you were not part of the targeted group. I do go to Church - once a month - and do have some religious beliefs. However, I am quite annoyed by the commonly held opinion that anybody who does go to church or suggests the usage of a pastor is in the same class as a the ultra-Rightists mentioned above. I don't like them, and do not appreciate being lumped together with them. JJLC's comments and everybody else's tacit acceptance of it underscores the prevalence of the issue.

Now when I go out and reply in a manner that draws attention to the issue, as was done, although not in the best of ways, the response was immediate and overwhelming.

Whether inferred or overt, comments can and do offend a particular class.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I was wondering if we had a board motto yet.

It's on the forum page.

I am always happy to change it.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by Austintatious
Austin(people are stupid)tatious

Austintatious = evenodds?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Austintatious
There's a line between irreverance and offensiveness.

Young man, I like the cut of your jib. Have your girl call my girl -- NB&A's clients could use that sort of analysis.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by evenodds
It's on the forum page.

I am always happy to change it.

See, that's what I get for skipping straight to the most recent unread post -- I never saw the "hipper than thou" thing before. No, its good (not that my opinion counts for more than the pile of dogcrap that it normally is). I just thought that "Once again from your intellectual, moral, social and emotional superior" kinda screamed FB in a weird way.

[Austintatious]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Austintatious = evenodds?

Right town, wrong poster.

Originally posted by MisterEbola
That's your read because you felt that you were not part of the targeted group. I do go to Church - once a month - and do have some religious beliefs. However, I am quite annoyed by the commonly held opinion that anybody who does go to church or suggests the usage of a pastor is in the same class as a the ultra-Rightists mentioned above. I don't like them, and do not appreciate being lumped together with them. JJLC's comments and everybody else's tacit acceptance of it underscores the prevalence of the issue.

Now when I go out and reply in a manner that draws attention to the issue, as was done, although not in the best of ways, the response was immediate and overwhelming.

Whether inferred or overt, comments can and do offend a particular class.

I so did not get that from the Jesus thing. And the absurd thing is that you were upset bc as a church goer you did not want to be lumped in with the Footloose set, which you assumed is what was being done? (PLF, is this irony?) And now I know that you also for anti=pastor as well as anti= jew. also paranoid and maybe not too quick.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
I wasn't defending the use of the word "kike" at all, except to maybe give ME some credit and think that his use of it was a (bad) way to say "stop with the stereotyping shit". I think ME knows he went too far in anger.

I understood what he was trying to do. "You were stereotyping, so I'll take it one step further."

Originally posted by bilmore
I just think that it's PC as hell for everyone else to jump him without any acknowledgement that the JJLC shit could be (and, as it turns out, was) very offensive to someone else. If you go back and read those particular posts and try to imagine the viewpoint of some true believer, you have to realize that, even though the popular stereotype of the fundamentalist christians is fun and all, it's not true for most, and it's offensive. We can't just be careful to avoid offending popular groups. (Oh, lord, I said that Jews were popular. Somebody's gonna be pissed.)

I don't think it's all that PC. I think you're ignoring both posters' tone. I think JJLC's tone wasn't even close to serious (and I had to click them all to take Jesus off mute (there's a board motto if I've ever heard one) to go back and read them). Making fun of a belief system (whether you say, "people who believe everything they read in the Bible are wingnuts" or "people who think they have been reincarnated are wackadoo") is very much different from calling someone a kike. Now, yez, it's true that someone who is deeply religious will be offended by this; and that is not in question. But the fact that the knee jerk reaction to someone poking fun of your beliefs is to label them with a slur is problematic.

What I find more interesting is that you didn't say anything about JJLC's offensive posts (or the kike thing) until you saw a PC issue to jump on. Advocating an open market of ideas is one thing, but this just seems strange to me.

Thurgreed(and no, I'm not calling you a racist)Marshall

[ms. naughty diplomat]

Originally posted by MisterEbola
Whether inferred or overt, comments can and do offend a particular class.

the more you attempt to explain your actions the more it seems that no one ever told you that when you are in a hole that the first thing that you do is stop digging.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by MisterEbola
Whether inferred or overt, comments can and do offend a particular class.

If you honestly don't see a difference between an ethnic slur that is often used as or in conjunction with a death threat, and a reference to a Kevin Bacon "Flashdance" ripoff, I really can't help you. But I hope someone does.

Me, I'm sticking to fashion from now on. Anyone else amused by the return of 80s-style grommets on clothing?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by MisterEbola
That's your read because you felt that you were not part of the targeted group. I do go to Church - once a month - and do have some religious beliefs. However, I am quite annoyed by the commonly held opinion that anybody who does go to church or suggests the usage of a pastor is in the same class as a the ultra-Rightists mentioned above. I don't like them, and do not appreciate being lumped together with them. JJLC's comments and everybody else's tacit acceptance of it underscores the prevalence of the issue.

Now when I go out and reply in a manner that draws attention to the issue, as was done, although not in the best of ways, the response was immediate and overwhelming.

Whether inferred or overt, comments can and do offend a particular class.

not...taking...my...advice...

I think I'll have to go home and smoke a j. Dude, have you noticed that you are the only one still fighting?

[MisterEbola]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
not...taking...my...advice...

I think I'll have to go home and smoke a j. Dude, have you noticed that you are the only one still fighting?

Nope, there are plenty of others offering their jabs. But thats OK.

[i]take Jesus off mute

TM, bc I did you the honor of editing your long ass post to the relevant part, I would like to know who is currently on your ignore list. I thiink mine is empty at the moment but I may have to go refill it.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by MisterEbola
Now when I go out and reply in a manner that draws attention to the issue, as was done, although not in the best of ways, the response was immediate and overwhelming.

Fuck you. That is such fucking bullshit I don't even think you believe it. You were probably offended, yez. But you weren't drawing attention to the issue. You were pissed and wanted to hit him where it hurt.

If you wanted to simply draw attention to the issue, you would have replied to him with: "I do go to Church - once a month - and do have some religious beliefs. However, I am quite annoyed by the commonly held opinion that anybody who does go to church or suggests the usage of a pastor is in the same class as a the ultra-Rightists mentioned above. I don't like them, and do not appreciate being lumped together with them. JJLC's comments and everybody else's tacit acceptance of it underscores the prevalence of the issue."

TM