Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

So I was hanging around the Statehouse yesterday. The place is more amusing that Friday on the FB. The pro-gay marriage folks are MUCH more visible than the anti-, there are more of them and they are noisier, but the cameras seem to be hanging around the anti-s, who, let's face it, are a LOT more colorful.

Basically, the coalitions working together are absolutely bizarre, and if you look at the four votes that have occurred so far, you find that about 75 to 80% of the Reps and Senators can say that they have voted both for and against each of Gay Marriage and Civil Union. A lot of vote swapping is going on so people can build records -- the Senate President's motion had the support of virtually all the Senators, but only after it was determined by them that it would fail and they didn't need to buck their boss. Ditto with the House Speaker's resolution.

And on many votes the folks backing and opposing gay marriage itself are voting together to kill constitutional amendments that are anything but a pure yes or no on gay marriage, while at the same time the folks opposing gay marriage so far don't seem to have the umph to even get a straight up or down vote to the floor of the Constitutional Convention (but we'll see if they do if all the people trying to compromise fail a few more times).

Very amusing.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
If he had spit on it, I could better see the difference. I don't think he meant it as disrespectful or contemptuous toward America. Maybe I am wrong and he did mean it as an act of disrespect and some sort of anti-American gesture.

I'm sure he meant no disrespect -- actually, that almost bothers me more than if he had.

Look, there are some things that one just should not do, regardless of intent. E.g. Defecating on the meal cart on an airplane in flight is simply unacceptable, even if the chap meant no harm, and didn't think anyone would mind.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man


There actually are official and/or semi-official rules regarding the appropriate ways to display, handle, and dispose of the American flag -- which were once much more widely known and observed.

US Code, in fact.

But it's a fashion issue, not a political issue.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yes, although people did not intend them to be so.

That's why there were a large number of free speech cases in the 1960's and early 1970's involving flag desecration.

Well all I have to say is that I am glad I have the right to disagree with this and to proudly proclaim my patriotism by wearing a flag T-shirt tightly hugging my shapely breast implants. God Bless Fucking America!

[bilmore]

Check out the caption under the last picture on this page from Kerry's campaign website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities.../campaign.html

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Very amusing.

It is all fun and games until the polygamists start asking that their unions be legally recognized. Oh wait, they are already doing that in district court in Utah.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
And on many votes the folks backing and opposing gay marriage itself are voting together to kill constitutional amendments that are anything but a pure yes or no on gay marriage, while at the same time the folks opposing gay marriage so far don't seem to have the umph to even get a straight up or down vote to the floor of the Constitutional Convention (but we'll see if they do if all the people trying to compromise fail a few more times).

Very amusing.

The NY Times news analysis yesterday made it seem like something of a circus issue, focusing mainly on the dissent pointing out that the sole remaining debate was really over whether gay marriage should be called marriage.

(from the dissent):

"Under this proposed bill, there are no
substantive differences left to dispute -- there is only, on both sides, a squabble over the name to be used. . . . As a result, we have a pitched battle over who gets to use the "m" word."

If truly the core of the issue, I can see how quickly it would become silly.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Check out the caption under the last picture on this page from Kerry's campaign website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities.../campaign.html

Good one.

Hey bilmore, was that you in the forums on Kerry's site last night trying to stir the pot?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Not Me
It is all fun and games until the polygamists start asking that their unions be legally recognized. Oh wait, they are already doing that in district court in Utah.

That sounds amusing, too.

All in all, the PB is going to be where the real sex talk happens around here for a while.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
sex talk

This has got to be the ugliest flag bathingsuit I have come across:

http://www.fantasiawear.com/ImagesCostumes/mc-d501c.jpg

[SPREE - covered nips but mounds of cleavage exposed]

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I've never supported an anti-flag burning/desecration amendment, which makes me practically a communist in the American Legion, but it pisses me off to see idiots doing stuff like that and thinking its some kind of patriotic tribute.

S_A_M

S_A_M

I never have either, and I see nothing wrong with this. To me it all comes down to intent.

[Not Me]

Here are some men's suits for you guys to display your patriotism by wearing:

http://www.funkyboutique.com/flagcollection.html
[SPREE - men wearing thong speedos]

[Not Me]

Didn't hear it myself, but Drudge is reporting that on Imus, Kerry said this about the Drudge allegations:


"Well, there is nothing to report," Kerry told IMUS. "So there is nothing to talk about. I'm not worried about it. No."

[Not Me]

With Kerry.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sneed...s-sneed13.html

He says this is why Gore didn't pick Kerry to be his VP, too.

[Not Me]

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=3036

Speculation about Hillary getting the nomination if an intern scandal breaks the Kerry campaign.

I think it is unlikely that will happen. If a scandal does occur, I think Kerry will just apologize, Teresa will stand by her man, and he will still be the nominee.