Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by bilmore
I'm speaking of what this is doing to her parents. After spending years fighting them for control, he couldn't have the decency to relinquish that control when he decides there's no hope, to someone who does? ... No, I'm not reasonable about this. This court outcome sucks, and not for any "legal" reason.

Bilmore, this is a serious question. Do you think that Terri's wishes about this issue are irrelevant? Or do you take the position that no one really knows what her wishes are?

Because it sounds to me that you are saying that her wishes should be disregarded to mollify her parents, since -- at worst -- she is now a vegetable, and therefore it doesn't matter to her that she is being kept alive in such a state.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
the fact that it appears bipartisan.

This is the funniest thing I have heard in a month! Two Gold Stars.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought Fringy's comment was the funniest thing I had heard in a month. But your response may have topped it. Two Gold Stars.

I would have thought someone here or on the FB would have been tasteless enough to remind us all of Uma Thurman's coma in Kill Bill, vol. 1. But no.

Coming soon ... after Easter ...


Terry Schiavo is back, and she's looking for the Democrats who wanted her to die....

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought it was Nixon who had the Southern Strategy and then Reagan who perfected it. Why is Bill Clinton at fault? As a loyal Republican, I think we have to take the blame for this one.

As a historical matter, most evangelical Christians were apolitical until the late 70s and early 80s. Many were excited about Carter's election (because of his religion) and then disappointed by his actions in office, and then were mobilized on the Republican side by Reagan.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Them's fightin' words, spankme.

I said "may" have topped it............you just want all the glory for yourself. Just can't share the limelight.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
I said "may" have topped it............you just want all the glory for yourself. Just can't share the limelight.

not with the extinct, no.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I would have thought someone here or on the FB would have been tasteless enough to remind us all of Uma Thurman's coma in Kill Bill, vol. 1. But no.

Coming soon ... after Easter ...


Terry Schiavo is back, and she's looking for the Democrats who wanted her to die....

You should have quit while you where ahead. The committee has stripped you of your gold star.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought it was Nixon who had the Southern Strategy and then Reagan who perfected it. Why is Bill Clinton at fault? As a loyal Republican, I think we have to take the blame for this one.

Oy--it was a response to Greedy's glorification of Clinton. While the evangelicals certainly were a force well before the blue dress, his conduct in office certainly reenergized the "moral majority".

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
You should have quit while you where ahead. The committee has stripped you of your gold star.

If you are a resurgence of any past committee, I don't want your gold star, dear.

I don't remember whether it was you or club who turned in your R party card, but whichever of you did is now eligible to spank me, though.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought it was Nixon who had the Southern Strategy and then Reagan who perfected it. Why is Bill Clinton at fault? As a loyal Republican, I think we have to take the blame for this one.

Nixon's Southern Strategy was mostly about race rather than religion. I think we started to see religion become more of a motivating factor in the Southern Strategy during the 80s, after Nixon was gone (didn't Ford concede most of the South running against Carter?), and at first I think it was a partial proxy for race (I don't know how the Bakke decision became an issue for evangelists to rally around, but they did).

I can say I'd rather see the nation divided over religion than over race.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I would have thought someone here or on the FB would have been tasteless enough to remind us all of Uma Thurman's coma in Kill Bill, vol. 1. But no.

Coming soon ... after Easter ...


Terry Schiavo is back, and she's looking for the Democrats who wanted her to die....

Funniest post in awhile. Plus, it has the added dimension of Ty using the "i would have thought you guys would stoop to" vehicle, which is a nice touch.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Oy--it was a response to Greedy's glorification of Clinton. While the evangelicals certainly were a force well before the blue dress, his conduct in office certainly reenergized the "moral majority".

I think you're glorifying the Clinton haters if you let them dress up their objections in religion. There has been no shortage of either Rs or conservative Christian zealots who have had their own little sex scandals.

The substantive religious issues that created the bigger split are abortion and gay rights. I think women's role in general fits in there, too, though I think there is more internal conflict within the Christian conservatives over that (though boy, they hate Hillary for absolutely no good reason other than that she's a strong woman).

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You are sacrificing her interests . . .

This may, in fact, be key to my view of the matter. Sushi doesn't have interests. Any "dignity" or "wishes" kinds of interests all reside in the survivors who hold those interests dear, or not.

[Spanky]

Not that my opinion is worth anything, but all this Terry Shiavo thing has reminded me why I would rather have my fingernailspulled out rather than become a judge or elected to office. This situation has no easy way out.

1) If she did not want to be left in this state you are inclined to let her die

2) In addition, I would never want to be left as a vegetable

3) but, if you are going to let her die: starve or dehydrate her to death? That just seems ridiculous.

4) it would seem more humane, if you are going to let her die, to pump her full of morphine and give her an overdoes. I know doctors said she won't feel it, but even if there is a slight chance she will, that is just unbelievably cruel.

5) but giving her an overdose would be murder. So you can't do that

6) on the other hand, if her parents want her alive, who does it hurt to keep her on life support

7) But then again if this is not what she wanted, we have to support her wishes - in this country you are supposed to have a right over your own body.........

8) However, it is illegal to allow someone to commit suicide for what I hope are obvious reasons........

9) If the state pays to keep her alive, these are valuable resources that could be used to save other lives or to cure some diseases..............

10) But once you start deciding it is OK to kill someone so that others may have a better life - well we know where that leads.....

This whole thing sucks, and I am just glad I am not one of these people having to make the tough decision. I think there are good, well intentioned people on all sides of this, its just a catch 22 that totally sucks. So I am going to get drunk and forget about it. It is a Republic and that is why I pay judges and politicians to lose sleep over this.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Do you think that Terri's wishes about this issue are irrelevant?

I think they approach irrelevancy due to her vegatative qualities, in relation to the interests of the living.