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02-15-2008, 01:16 AM
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For what it's worth
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Super delegates - what will they do
A freind of mine that works on the Obama campaign claims that unless Hillary wins like sixty five percent of the popular vote in the next primaries she won't catch Obama in the delegate count. However, that doesn't count superdelegates. Those are the wild cards here.
I think it will be real interesting if the superdelegates end up deciding the convention. Especially if they swing it another way than it would have gone without them. That would be quite an elitist course of events for the supposed party of the people (no Republican super delegates).
It is going to be a lot of fun to watch. I still can't believe Hillary screwed up as much as she has. The Democrats just love Fresh meat.
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02-15-2008, 11:31 AM
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#1367
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by Spanky
A freind of mine that works on the Obama campaign claims that unless Hillary wins like sixty five percent of the popular vote in the next primaries she won't catch Obama in the delegate count. However, that doesn't count superdelegates. Those are the wild cards here.
I think it will be real interesting if the superdelegates end up deciding the convention. Especially if they swing it another way than it would have gone without them. That would be quite an elitist course of events for the supposed party of the people (no Republican super delegates).
It is going to be a lot of fun to watch. I still can't believe Hillary screwed up as much as she has. The Democrats just love Fresh meat.
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Most of the superdelegates fit into two groups: (i) elected officials who want a strong top of the ticket, and care more about avoiding the kind of controversy that would result from changing the outcome; and (ii) DNC members who are old time party loyalists who really care about what is best for the party.
Yes, there are a handful of Clintonistas who had National Party gigs because they were close to the Big Guy. But they were the early Clinton supporters - there aren't many left now. And the ones that are left (like Richardson) must have reasons for not backing her already.
This one's all Obamas to lose. Absent a stumble, they'll be falling in line increasingly quickly.
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02-15-2008, 11:32 AM
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#1368
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Libertarian Troll Bingo
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Originally posted by Spanky
Changed my life. That woman stole fifteen hours of my life that I will never get back.
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I gave her about two before I lost interest.
It's not like you need to read it so you can chat up all the cute libertarian chicks in college.
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02-15-2008, 12:06 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by Spanky
I still can't believe Hillary screwed up as much as she has.
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It's not so much that she screwed up as that the Democrats have two strong candidates running good campaigns. Turnout has been excellent.
The delegate counts can't be compared apples to apples, since there are more Democratic delegates than Republicans, but the voter totals are impressive. Most Democrats who vote for Obama also think Hillary would be a strong candidate.
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02-15-2008, 01:26 PM
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Libertarian Troll Bingo
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I gave her about two before I lost interest.
It's not like you need to read it so you can chat up all the cute libertarian chicks in college.
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Yes, you'd want to read more Susan Sontag, to get with all four of those hot liberal chicks.
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02-15-2008, 01:33 PM
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#1371
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's not so much that she screwed up as that the Democrats have two strong candidates running good campaigns. Turnout has been excellent.

The delegate counts can't be compared apples to apples, since there are more Democratic delegates than Republicans, but the voter totals are impressive. Most Democrats who vote for Obama also think Hillary would be a strong candidate.
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Republicans aren't coming out right now because they just don't care. None of the candidates are exciting. McCain will probably be President in name come November, but the true elected candidate will be "Not Obama" or "Not Hillary."
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02-15-2008, 01:47 PM
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Libertarian Troll Bingo
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yes, you'd want to read more Susan Sontag, to get with all four of those hot liberal chicks.
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Hmmm. Four. So that's Ncs, dtb, RT, and nfh?
Bring on the Sontag!
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02-15-2008, 02:08 PM
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Libertarian Troll Bingo
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Hmmm. Four. So that's Ncs, dtb, RT, and nfh?
Bring on the Sontag!
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Dude, none of those women are monolithically "liberal." I'm not going to describe the reasons why because they probably don't want me analyzing their personalities, but it's pretty clear if you actually pay attention to what they write, that they are a conglomeration of different pieces of different schools of thought.
The collegiate "liberal" you described is drowning in The Kool Aid. I'd go as far as to say no one in this community fits completely into the "liberal" or "conservative" stereotypes. If they did, this place would be dull, because people who tend to fancy themselves within such caricatures are usually not too interesting.
And Hank still swears nfh has a crank.
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02-15-2008, 02:20 PM
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Libertarian Troll Bingo
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Dude, none of those women are monolithically "liberal." I'm not going to describe the reasons why because they probably don't want me analyzing their personalities, but it's pretty clear if you actually pay attention to what they write, that they are a conglomeration of different pieces of different schools of thought.
The collegiate "liberal" you described is drowning in The Kool Aid. I'd go as far as to say no one in this community fits completely into the "liberal" or "conservative" stereotypes. If they did, this place would be dull, because people who tend to fancy themselves within such caricatures are usually not too interesting.
And Hank still swears nfh has a crank.
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Fine then.
Ncs, RT, dtb and flinty.
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02-15-2008, 02:45 PM
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
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Super delegates - what will they do
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sebastian_dangerfield
McCain will probably be President in name come November, but the true elected candidate will be "Not Obama" or "Not Hillary."
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:td:
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02-15-2008, 03:03 PM
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#1376
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
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Super delegates - what will they do
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sebastian_dangerfield
"Not Obama"
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The more crap like this that gets national exposure, the less his popularity is going to be:
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A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.
Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama’s “Global Poverty Act” (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. ...
The bill defines the term “Millennium Development Goals” as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000).
The U.N. says that “The commitment to provide 0.7% of gross national product (GNP) as official development assistance was first made 35 years ago in a General Assembly resolution, but it has been reaffirmed repeatedly over the years, including at the 2002 global Financing for Development conference in Monterrey, Mexico. However, in 2004, total aid from the industrialized countries totaled just $78.6 billion—or about 0.25% of their collective GNP.”
In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning “small arms and light weapons” and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child....
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F this.
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02-15-2008, 03:15 PM
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#1377
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The more crap like this that gets national exposure, the less his popularity is going to be:
F this.
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In other news, Hillary Clinton has announced that, if elected, she will appoint Joe Biden Secretary of State.
Biden's close to Hillary.
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02-15-2008, 03:18 PM
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Southern charmer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: At the Great Altar of Passive Entertainment
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The more crap like this that gets national exposure, the less his popularity is going to be:
F this.
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Oh, relaaaax. I've not read the bill, but I've heard that there's an escape clause - the President appoints a named receiver to decide whether the US agrees with the UN dictates for the money, and can put a hold on the money. Some Representative Pelosi, I think it was.
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02-15-2008, 03:21 PM
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#1379
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
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ZZZZZZZZZZ
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sebastian_dangerfield
In other news, Hillary Clinton has announced that, if elected, she will appoint Joe Biden Secretary of State.
Biden's close to Hillary.
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This wouldn't be the worst thing - he'd bore our enemies into submission.
It's the rumour of Senator Haircut as Obama's AG that has me reaching for the Lagavulin.
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02-15-2008, 03:21 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Super delegates - what will they do
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Oh, relaaaax. I've not read the bill, but I've heard that there's an escape clause - the President appoints a named receiver to decide whether the US agrees with the UN dictates for the money, and can put a hold on the money. Some Representative Pelosi, I think it was.
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He can also relax because that bill is not getting passed.
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