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Old 07-16-2003, 02:47 PM   #13816
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All you American Idol fans and critics, is anyone buying tickets to the summer concerts?



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Old 07-16-2003, 02:49 PM   #13817
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Agreed. I've seen this escalate. It's easy enough to say "sorry," and that's usually all it takes.

I used to say "not tonight," until a guy responded "dude, I wasn't asking you to sleep with me."
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Old 07-16-2003, 02:49 PM   #13818
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That just reminded me of that pharmacist who was arrested for diluting chemo drugs for profit. Horrible!!
I saw that one too! I was glad when Vincent D'Onofrio took his ass DOWN!

Poll: What's your favorite "Ripped from the headlines" Law & Order episode (any L&O franchise is allowed?) I'll take the '01-'02 season ending Enron-ish Criminal Intent episode. Soooo good. But there have been so many great ones. The preppie killer. The crazy genius sociopath writer. Every time I see that "this episode is entirely fictional, and any resemblance to real people is entirely coincidental," I start rubbing my hands with glee. Glee I tell you.
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Old 07-16-2003, 02:49 PM   #13819
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Many women believe giving acknowledgment to a homeless man may result in unwanted attention.
Heh. My sister gave a dollar to the guy selling the Street Spirit (or whatever that homeless newspaper is called) outside of Walgreens a year of so ago. He was elated, and he informed her that if he got enough money together that day, he'd have a room for the night and could he call her later? She declined to acquiesce to his request.

I used to give more money to pan handlers than I do now, mostly because I really don't have spare change on me most of the time. Debit cards, I think, have cut into the daily take of the average american panhandler.
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Old 07-16-2003, 02:51 PM   #13820
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Evil child dentist stories.

Christ, me too. My psycho-dentist did not use novocaine. Ever. My next dentist was astounded because I had some pretty deep cavities.

I remember the psycho yelling "Hold still! This is a high-powered drill, it can go right through your jaw!!!"

I found Steve Martin's character in Little Shop of Horrors a little too familiar.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:01 PM   #13821
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Toronto has tons of homeless people. When I was last there, they seemed to be getting quite creative with their begging. For example, one woman asked me for change because she wanted to send her kids to summer camp. A man asked me for change so he could get a Leafs ticket because he wanted to see them play before he died. I gave him some quarters.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:02 PM   #13822
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Does someone have the link to the story that claims that people who peddle for change make approximately $12/hour tax free?
You could buy the book on Amazonpanhandler tells all

For the next four months, Moody planted himself and held a sign at the Appian Way exit off Interstate 80. And he experienced a transformation of the soul as his stereotypes about people were turned upside-down.

Moody logged his experiences in 600 pages of notes that over the next 10 years were shaped into a book, "Will Work for Food or $," published in April.
He stuck to the principles he'd been given, including a cardinal rule: Take all work offered to you and don't ask about the pay. He never spent more than four hours on the roadside, and had a rule about never staying a minute longer for that extra dollar.

On his best day, bolstered by a $50 donation, Moody collected almost $180 from passing motorists.
He arrived at the roadside believing that minorities, particularly African and Asian Americans, were not inclined to help him -- a white man -- but those myths were exploded almost immediately.

He found that African Americans, particularly women, were among the most generous givers on the roadway, and more often brought homemade meals than money, which he took as a blessing.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:05 PM   #13823
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(1) If someone is trying to entertain me (and I am subsequently entertained), I will give them money. The guy who sings Michael Jackson gets quarters.
Him, you should give more. There is a guy (I don't even know if he's homeless) who drums on household items like pots, upside-down buckets, etc. who is really amazing--as in should be in a good band amazing--who I always give a buck to whenever I happen to see him.

But ordinary homeless guys with a cup--nope. I've gotten too much sexual harassment from guys like that.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:10 PM   #13824
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All you American Idol fans and critics, is anyone buying tickets to the summer concerts?



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P. S. I love the fact that the tour is sponsored by Pop Tarts.
Great sponsorship opportunity. If only Super Colon Blow was a real product...
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:10 PM   #13825
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Many women believe giving acknowledgment to a homeless man may result in unwanted attention.
That is not just a belief, it is true half the time. Sometimes it's like acknowledging people who leer or hiss at you on the street - just results in them latching on to you and carrying on.*

Although half the time it is probably good to acknowledge them, because then they leave you alone. It's just hard to predict whether they are going to leave you alone or latch on to you no matter what you do. So it's hard to know what is the safest response.


*Although I did acknowledge the kid who yelled out "Can I have yo' ass!!!" in a really loud voice the other day because it made me laugh. My ass would have looked kind of funny on him.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:12 PM   #13826
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In her defense, there are many many psychotics on the streets who are in serious need of hospitalization. The larger the city, the bigger the problem. Catch and release.
If you can stay arms length (or spitting distance) from them, you are so much safer.
Granted, if you're seeing the same people (they work in shifts) on a regular basis, then you can offer some pleasantries. But I'm in favor of safer than sorry.
Understood. I didn't think the scenario either of us was describing contemplated or eliminated the possibility of taking a wide berth. I didn't suggest giving anyone a hug, did I?

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Old 07-16-2003, 03:18 PM   #13827
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Tony and Rebecca Spradlin, visiting from Texas with their two teenage daughters, stood at the intersection trying to decide whether to hit the shopping mall or head to the cable-car turntable. They cast a wary eye at the assorted street people congregating nearby.

Suddenly they were approached by Tommy Schindler, a 38-year-old homeless person. His face and clothes were dirty. He smelled of alcohol.

"Can I have some money?" Schindler asked, extending a hand.

The Spradlins collectively stepped aside and hustled off to the cable car.

"I was warned before I left home to ignore them and keep walking," Rebecca commented once she'd placed some distance between her family and this latest disruption of their vacation. "You just have to keep walking," she reminded her girls.

Good advice. While most street people in the area are relatively benign, some can get aggressive. Schindler prides himself on being one of them.

"Sometimes," he told me, "I come to the intersection and there's tourists standing there with a f-- camcorder so you can't get across the street. I just take their camcorders."

Schindler gave me a cold stare. "I'm really not a nice person," he said. "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired."

According to the San Francisco Convention & Visitors Bureau, tourism is far and away the city's largest industry, representing more than 60,000 jobs and about $6 billion in annual spending, not to mention hundreds of millions more in sales and hotel taxes.

According to just about everyone, homelessness and panhandling are the city's two biggest problems, representing a constant challenge to the business community, civic leaders and 14 million annual visitors.

At Fifth and Market, where the Tenderloin's down and out meet Union Square's eager to spend, the clash of these opposing forces makes itself felt on a daily basis.

An especially profound example of that clash happened in May when a homeless man described by police as having a history of mental illness was arrested for allegedly attacking a psychiatrist attending a convention of shrinks at Moscone Center.

"You've got a lot of good-hearted people visiting San Francisco and living in San Francisco," said Wayne Alexis, supervisor of 14 red-shirted "ambassadors" who regularly patrol the Union Square area on behalf of local merchants. "That's part of the problem."

He gazed up and down Powell Street. "People keep giving them money, they'll keep coming back for more," Alexis said.

His eyes settled on a street person across the way, a disheveled man known as Alan. Alan was standing outside the French Connection clothing store hitting up passers-by for change.

"You're going to have to move," Alexis told him as reasonably as he could.

"I'm not bothering nobody," Alan countered with a menacing edge in his voice. "F-- you."

Alexis has no authority to detain an overly aggressive panhandler. He flagged down a passing cop and asked Officer Larry McDevitt to handle the situation. McDevitt confronted Alan and persuaded him to try his luck elsewhere.

"There's not a lot of cops who'll bring in a guy for panhandling," McDevitt acknowledged afterward -- a fact that's equally well understood among street people, and which makes it tough for the police to do anything more than shift the homeless from corner to corner.

"It's frustrating," McDevitt said. "We get a finger pointed at us for being too harsh with the homeless. Then you get business owners who want us to do more."

In the end, he said, it'll be up to the city's political leaders to do something about the homeless situation. But that's been the case for years, and San Francisco residents and visitors are still awaiting some action.

Inside French Connection, with its endearing "FCUK" sign out front, saleswoman Lene Andersen said she routinely calls upon Alexis and his crew to shoo panhandlers from the door of the shop.

"You can't go 10 steps outside without someone asking you for money," she complained.

In San Francisco, the Board of Supervisors is stuck squabbling over Care Not Cash, Supervisor Gavin Newsom's program to reduce some welfare payments and funnel the money instead into social services. Politics has once again gotten in the way of progress.

In Los Angeles, an initiative called Bring L.A. Home was recently introduced to provide affordable housing, mental health care and treatment for substance abuse.
Scott Holmes and Michelle Smith, looking fit and tanned, were up from L.A. the other day and waiting in line for the cable car near Fifth and Market.
They both said the homeless situation in San Francisco wasn't much different from down south. "You get used to it," Smith said with a shrug.

"Actually," Holmes responded, "they're nicer here than in L.A. They're more inebriated in L.A."


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Edited to add, that I didn't really see a homeless problem in LA, but then again, it's so spread out, how could you tell?
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:28 PM   #13828
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{story about S.F. panhandlers}
Which big American city has the best (i.e., polite, non-aggressive, mentally normal but down on their luck) panhandlers? I say Chicago, but I don't have a lot of nationwide street experience.

San Francisco has a lot of people who wander around, ranting and raving. I've always said that S.F. has the most conversations per capita of any American city. Even the normal looking people are muttering to themselves here.

My favorite is the Asian dude in the blue suit carrying the sign about outer space and impeachment. He must go through a pair of dress shoes a week.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:38 PM   #13829
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Which big American city has the best (i.e., polite, non-aggressive, mentally normal but down on their luck) panhandlers? I say Chicago, but I don't have a lot of nationwide street experience.

San Francisco has a lot of people who wander around, ranting and raving. I've always said that S.F. has the most conversations per capita of any American city. Even the normal looking people are muttering to themselves here.

My favorite is the Asian dude in the blue suit carrying the sign about outer space and impeachment. He must go through a pair of dress shoes a week.
You mean this guy?

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Edited to add, he's not homeless, he's just street people.
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Old 07-16-2003, 03:39 PM   #13830
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Which big American city has the best (i.e., polite, non-aggressive, mentally normal but down on their luck) panhandlers?
My fair city has a famous panhandler, Leslie Cochran, who works a corner at Sixth & Congress in a thong bikini and heels. He easily has the best legs in town, and runs for mayor from time to time.
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