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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You are an idiot. None of this shit has anything to do with what is going on in this country. Saying that racism exists in Japan doesn't mean a thing when we're talking about racism in the United States. Poverty is a world wide phenomenon as well. That doesn't mean we throw our hands up here and accept it. We look at the reasons behind it -- the historical reasons, in an effort to try to fix it.
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If you had any reading comprehension at all you would have realized that I explained in my post where racial prejudice came from. That was a major point of my post. You kept talking about four hundred years of prejudice towards the African Americans in this country implying that this is a uniquely American problem. You state that fact like it is the key to understanding the roots and causes of racial prejudice in this country. But like I said, racial prejudice is a natural inclination in all people and until you understand that, you won't know how to address it. When you keep focusing on 400 years of racial prejudice in this country you are showing that you don’t understand that it is a universal problem among humans, and therefore you don't understand the problem at all.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall And dark skinned blacks do the same to light-skinned. So fucking what? Does it amount to institutional racism? Has it been sanctioned by every single institution in this country? Did we need to institute remedial measures to try and fix the harm that that's caused? Jesus Christ.
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Are you saying that this sort of racial prejudice is not a problem for the people that experience it? Like so many really, really, stupid people you think that if we "solve" the problem of Caucasian prejudice towards African Americans in this country that that we will solve everything. Pure stupidity. There are all sorts of prejudice everywhere, from anti-Semitism to black Muslim hatred of Caucasians. Overlooking one type of racial prejudice to focus on the "bigger problem" is beyond stupid. You either show intolerance towards all forms of racial prejudice or you accept it all. In other words, if you pick and choose which racial prejudices and stereotyping that is OK and what types of racial stereotyping are not OK, you are really saying that it is all OK. Is that such a difficult concept for your tiny brain to wrap itself around?
You stated "Does it amount to institutional racism?” Yes it does. For a while, many all black colleges were intentionally choosing lighter skinned blacks in their admissions. In the south certain all black debutante organizations etc. where only choosing light skinned blacks. If you live in an already segregated society, and your only hope of opportunity is in the black community, and that community denies you opportunities, it is a big problem.
"Has it been sanctioned by every single institution in this country?" Are you really arguing that prejudice towards African Americans is accepted by every institution in this country? Give me a break.
"Did we need to institute remedial measures to try and fix the harm that that's caused?" Remedial measure to fix the harm that was caused? What remedial measures where instituted to address the prejudice the Irish faced in the nineteenth century? Did they work? Were they necessary? If you think remedial measures can be instituted by the government to address past wrongs, you are dumber than I thought.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall This is the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard. You're telling me that because black people can make fun of white people because white people hold all the power and wealth in this country and because black people pose no real threat to white people (aside from the historical sexual stereotypes), you're going to argue that that's why we, as a society, aren't serious about dealing with the problem of racism? That is monumentally stupid.
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When you are not very bright sophisticated concepts seem stupid to you because you don't understand them. Blacks threats to Whites? Whites Threats to blacks? Are you hearing yourself?
If African Americans are given a pass to be racially prejudice to not only Caucasians, but Jews, Asians etc, then you are telling the country that racial prejudice is OK. How can you possibly argue that it is OK for African Americans to exhibit and act on racial prejudices but not everyone else? If it is wrong, then it wrong for everyone. If you say it is OK for some races, then you are really saying there is nothing wrong with racial prejudice. It is just wrong if it is directed towards certain "victimized classes". So you really support racial prejudice. You think racial prejudice is fine, unless it is directed towards a victimized class. And you call me stupid. At least I don't defend racial prejudice and intolerance.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall Bullshit. The exact problem in this country is the 400 years of racial prejudice and the hole that has put black people in. You can be as tribal as you like.*
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You can be as tribal as you like? Now there is a smart and sophisticated statement. Can't you see that that is root of the problem? So four hundred years of racial prejudice is the only problem (the exact problem as you put it). So the Chinese sex slaves, the barring the Irish from working, the black Muslims constantly preaching hate against the Jews - those are not problems?
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You don't need to enslave a group of people based on the color of their skin and then relegate them to second-class citizenship thereafter.
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I never said that wasn't right. That was a terrible crime. You are the one saying that this is the only crime. Because this big crime happened the other ones don't matter? You are also saying that their status as victims gives them a pass to victimize other people?
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall Fuck off. I always hear this bullshit from the people who make up the class that holds all the power.
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This sounds really familiar. I am part of a racially determined exploitive class and therefore I am just arguing for a system that perpetuates my own privileged position. Therefore my opinion should be discarded. The best way to deal with this problem is to put the economic power in the hands of the government, and they can distribute the economic benefits of society instead of the current racist exploitive system and then everything will be peaches and creams. Congratulations you just took Karl Marx's theories and substituted the concept of capitalist for racist.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall There are deviations from this unreachable goal you speak of that actual mean something.
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Did I ever say there were not? The only difference between you and mean is you think only one derivation matters, and all the rest don’t. I believe that all the deviations matter. And if you justify one, you really justify them all.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall People like you never post about those things
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Define "people like me"
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall -- about who politicians pander to, about racist job hiring and lending practices, about selective police brutality. There are a million issues you could discuss. But you know what? You only fucking post when it's some shit you think is unfair against you.
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You don't know anything about me. You don't know what I have done or what I post about. You are just prejudging me and stereotyping me. When you state things like "people like me" you show that you have no idea what the whole problem is about. If you want to see where the problem of prejudice and stereotyping comes from in this country just look in a mirror.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall -- "Don't make fun of me! You're deviating from our collective goal! It's not fair that you can make jokes about the current power structure and the people holding that power because I sure do want you to have the same exact shot at everything that's important as I have!" Right. What a fucking joke.
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I never said that. You are the joke. You think it would be OK for someone of Color to go through the same tirade Michael Richards went through? What if it was a Black person talking about Asians in the same way? Is that OK because Asians in this country haven't gone through four hundred years of "institutional racism"? You are a defender of racial prejudice, and it is pathetic.
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