Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Here ya go.

In Item 7, write "no party."

Thanks. I can't remember, is CA an open primary state?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Thanks. I can't remember, is CA an open primary state?

I'm sure you know this, but spanking me is not required if you leave the party. I would not want to provide a disincentive.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by bilmore
I'm speaking of what this is doing to her parents. After spending years fighting them for control, he couldn't have the decency to relinquish that control when he decides there's no hope, to someone who does?

Decency? I am surprised that no one thinks that the parents position is completely reprehensible and indecent (other than me and Mr. Schiavo, I guess). I absolutely disagree that this is a case where, if the husband gets his way it does devastating emotional harm to her parents while, if they get their way, it does him no similar harm, he might at worst suffer a case of violated abstract legal rights. Frankly, I think what the parents want to subject him to is particularly horrific for someone who cares about her.

Effectively, the "let her die" argument is that she is already, in all meaningful human ways, dead. So continuing to artificially maintain her (non-congnitive) functions is amazingly ghoulish. I, for one, would be entirely willing to spend years in court if someone effectively took my husband's dead body, mechanically and artificially caused it to maintain some of the traits of "life" and kept him around, dressing his dead body up, combing his hair, video taping themselves deludedly play-acting with his undead body and pretending he's responding to them. My God, what could be worse than that? [Oh, yeah, editing the tapes and sending them to the press, that would be still worse. Waive to the camera, darling! (flop, flop, flop.)] If I were in his shoes, I couldn't be any more horrified if her parents were trying to have her dead body stuffed so they could stick her in their front hall to greet guests.

Honestly, when I think about this case, I think "damn, zombies are scary, but this woman isn't even as "alive" as your standard movie zombie. Not even the old, slow ones from the '70s." (Yeah, I know, my obsession with horror movies again - but then, the ability to bring out extremely suppressed taboos and emotions like this for conscious consideration is one of the reasons I like them.) The reason (OK, one of the reasons) zombies are scary is that they are your friends, family and neighbors - but they aren't, and the fact that their bodies are going on without them, when they're really dead, is particularly, personally horrifying.

Anyway, happy Easter all - maybe in a couple of days they'll go to visit and she'll stand amidst them and say "Why are ye troubled?"

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
video taping themselves deludedly play-acting with his undead body and pretending he's responding to them

That is so hot.

Oh, sorry -- wrong board.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm paying as little attention to this crap as I can, although my Dad just called me to see if Sen. Frist can be challenged for the improper practice of medicine or something.

That explains a lot.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So the estate tax should be OK, because it doesn't matter what the decedent wanted.

Hey, anyone up for some grave desecration tonight?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Spanky
Not that my opinion is worth anything, but all this Terry Shiavo thing has reminded me why I would rather have my fingernailspulled out rather than become a judge or elected to office. This situation has no easy way out.

The only state that seems to have confronted any of tese issues is Oregon. I suggest moving there, and then leading a movement to secede from the union.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
Love your word choice. Parents have been begging the courts for years to please let them take care of their kid, saying that hubby wasn't doing what he should. Courts kept saying, no, go away, he's acting in her best interests. They keep trying. Nope. Now, hubby says, kill her, it's time. Parents STILL say, let us take care of her, please. Courts say, nope, hubby's her boss, not you. Go away while we kill your daughter.

I'm not arguing that she's coming back, nor that the fed action was right. Just that this has been a horrid example of merciless proper procedure over humanity.

And you leave the parents right out of your either/or choice.

(And seemingly forget that almost 50% of the Dems who voted, voted for the bill, too.)

Three unrelated points:

(a) While the ultimate result is the same, I do see a difference between "kill her" and "let her die." I understand that many people don't.

(b) The biggest problem in this case is with the humanity, not the procedure. That problem lies on both sides of the fight.

The conflict has reached this point because, for whatever reason, the Schindlers and M. Schiavo absolutely can't get along or agree on almost anything related to Terri. I'd expect that they've rather hated each other for some time.

If they didn't hate each other they could have worked _something_ out -- such as Schiavo letting the parents feed and water and care for her unknowing body into eternity while they continue to pray for a miracle -- or the parents letting her go -- or the parents (if they were the least bit rational) agreeing with Schiavo on yet another course of various tests to ascertain/verify her true condition and _act accordingly_. Apparently neither side could do it.

Given the failures of humanity involved, the legal system had to apply the rules of procedure to decide which side "won." I tend to believe that it probably made the right decision, and in any event did the best job it could. Don't blame the procedure or its application. The people involved -- all of them -- are to blame. As you reap, so shall ye sow.

(c) Key qualifier -- "of the Dems who voted."

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The only state that seems to have confronted any of tese issues is Oregon. I suggest moving there, and then leading a movement to secede from the union.

You might wait for the Supreme Court to decide the Oregon case this term before you start selling things to move there.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/25/schiavo/index.html

Excerpts:

" A Florida state judge will rule by noon Saturday on a motion filed by Terri Schiavo's parents, who contend that their brain-damaged daughter has expressed the wish to live.

"She managed to articulate the first two vowel sounds, first articulating AHHHHHHH and then virtually screaming WAAAAAAAA," the motion said.

"The incident happened in the presence of Schiavo's sister, Suzanne Vitadamo, and an aunt, the motion said. "

S_A_M

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I am too, as of today, but I am seriously considering giving it up.

What people don't understand is - its my party - they just have temporary control.

[Spanky]

The latest presidential portrait added to the White House collection

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
What people don't understand is - its my party - they just have temporary control.

If you could accelerate eviction proceedings, it would be appreciated in many corners.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/25/schiavo/index.html

Excerpts:

" A Florida state judge will rule by noon Saturday on a motion filed by Terri Schiavo's parents, who contend that their brain-damaged daughter has expressed the wish to live.

"She managed to articulate the first two vowel sounds, first articulating AHHHHHHH and then virtually screaming WAAAAAAAA," the motion said.

"The incident happened in the presence of Schiavo's sister, Suzanne Vitadamo, and an aunt, the motion said. "

S_A_M

I anticipate stigmata pre-ruling.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
So continuing to artificially maintain her (non-congnitive) functions is amazingly ghoulish. ...took my husband's dead body, mechanically and artificially caused it to maintain some of the traits of "life" and kept him around, dressing his dead body up, combing his hair, video taping themselves deludedly play-acting with his undead body and pretending he's responding to them. My God, what could be worse than that?

Vacationing with her?