Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Honestly, when I think about this case, I think "damn, zombies are scary, but this woman isn't even as "alive" as your standard movie zombie. Not even the old, slow ones from the '70s." (Yeah, I know, my obsession with horror movies again - but then, the ability to bring out extremely suppressed taboos and emotions like this for conscious consideration is one of the reasons I like them.) The reason (OK, one of the reasons) zombies are scary is that they are your friends, family and neighbors - but they aren't, and the fact that their bodies are going on without them, when they're really dead, is particularly, personally horrifying.

Anyway, happy Easter all - maybe in a couple of days they'll go to visit and she'll stand amidst them and say "Why are ye troubled?"

Its happened before

Ellen Sandweiss circa 81





And today

[Tyrone Slothrop]

"Advocates of using federal power to keep this woman alive need to seriously study the polling data that's come out on this."

linky

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"Advocates of using federal power to keep this woman alive need to seriously study the polling data that's come out on this."

linky

Guess what? Public opinion was strong for Dr. K. too! I can tell you where to find him all day every day if you have any questions for him.

• Do you favor or oppose the idea of allowing physician-assisted suicide for people who are physicially suffering, or terminally ill, but mentaly capable of requesting help to die?
  
  
  All Men Women
  Favor 63% 68% 59%
  Oppose 33% 28% 37%
  Undecided 4% 4% 4%

http://www.freep.com/suicide/index6.htm

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Guess what? Public opinion was strong for Dr. K. too! I can tell you where to find him all day every day if you have any questions for him.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that Ty's point was that removing the feeding tube is popular -- I think that his point was that a "man of principle" wouldn't care what the polling data says.

eta that I really don't know why I felt the need to post this. Ty is perfectly capable for speaking for himself. But instead of deleting this, I will leave it up as a reminder to myself that I have been spending way too much time here lately.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Hi RT!

Turns out that Tom DeLay's family, including Congressman DeLay, let his father die rather than take extraordinary measures to continue the life of the brain-dead man in 1988.

• When the man's kidneys failed, the DeLay family decided against connecting him to a dialysis machine. "Extraordinary measures to prolong life were not initiated," said his medical report, citing "agreement with the family's wishes." His bedside chart carried the instruction: "Do Not Resuscitate."
  
  * * * * *
  
  There were also these similarities [between the elder DeLay and Terri Schiavo]: Both stricken patients were severely brain damaged. Both were incapable of surviving without continuing medical assistance. Both were said to have expressed a desire to be spared life sustained by machine. And neither left a living will.
  
  * * * * *
  
  "Daddy did not want to be a vegetable," said Skogen, one of his daughters-in-law at the time. "There was no decision for the family to make. He made it for them."
  
  The preliminary decision to withhold dialysis and other treatments fell to Maxine along with Randall and her daughter Tena -- and, his mother, said, "Tom went along." He raised no objection, she said.

LA Times

I bet Tom was sad there weren't a lot of Congressmen lining up to help his family make that decision.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Turns out that Tom DeLay's family, including Congressman DeLay, let his father die rather than take extraordinary measures to continue the life of the brain-dead man in 1988.

Now you're just into unseemly, let's-demonize bullshit. Wonder what would have happened if there wasn't agreement among the survivors about their dad's condition? Do you think that might be a rather significant difference between the cases? Do you care, as long as you can post shit critical of Delay? You're starting to rank right around the anti-Hilary socks.

On a happier note, Elder Law has a good article on why Living Wills don't work, and how a good DPOA is much better.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Now you're just into unseemly, let's-demonize bullshit. Wonder what would have happened if there wasn't agreement among the survivors about their dad's condition? Do you think that might be a rather significant difference between the cases? Do you care, as long as you can post shit critical of Delay? You're starting to rank right around the anti-Hilary socks.

On a happier note, Elder Law has a good article on why Living Wills don't work, and how a good DPOA is much better.

Are you pretending that Tom DeLay has adopted your philosophy (i.e., the brand of utilitarianism that posits, who cares what they would have thought -- keep 'em alive if it makes any of the survivors happy)? 'Cause that's not what his family said: "Daddy did not want to be a vegetable." That sounds dangerously like they were trying to respect his wishes. Unlike what Majority Leader DeLay has said about the Schiavo case.

And I'm not interested in posting shit critical of DeLay -- I'm interested in currying favor with RT. If I have to post pictures of vibrators made out of precious metals, God help me, I'll do it.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Hi RT!

Turns out that Tom DeLay's family, including Congressman DeLay, let his father die rather than take extraordinary measures to continue the life of the brain-dead man in 1988.

I'll make you guys a deal. For every dollar you contribute to any decent contender to beat mayor Richard M. Daley of Chicago (i.e., this excludes any offspring of Jesse Jackson), I will contribute one point five in the next election to the contender of your choice to beat Delay.

1 is the leader of the third most populous city in America, and connected to the leadership of your party for a good part of the last 12 years. The other is a pompous windbag pretender elected by nobodies from nowhere.

1 is killing a city. The other is only killing his own soul.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And I'm not interested in posting shit critical of DeLay -- I'm interested in currying favor with RT. If I have to post pictures of vibrators made out of precious metals, God help me, I'll do it.

Yes, this was coming through.

Sorry, bad pun.

In other news - Is this libel (against Blake, not the jurors)?:

"Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley said jurors who acquitted actor Robert Blake of the murder of his wife are "incredibly stupid" and insisted his office put on a good case.

"Quite frankly, based on my review of the evidence, he is as guilty as sin. He is a miserable human being," he said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true

[bilmore]

"A Florida lawyer writes:

"I have been following the case for years. Something that interests me about the Terri Schiavo case, and that doesn't seem to have gotten much media attention: The whole case rests on the fact that the Schindlers (Terri's parents) were totally outlawyered by the husband (Michael Schiavo) at the trial court level.

This happened because, in addition to getting a $750K judgment for Terri's medical care, Michael Schiavo individually got a $300K award of damages for loss of consortium, which gave him the money to hire a top-notch lawyer to represent him on the right-to-die claim. He hired George Felos, who specializes in this area and litigated one of the landmark right-to-die cases in Florida in the early 90s.

By contrast, the Schindlers had trouble even finding a lawyer who would take their case since there was no money in it. Finally they found an inexperienced lawyer who agreed to take it partly out of sympathy for them, but she had almost no resources to work with and no experience in this area of the law. She didn't even depose Michael Schiavo's siblings, who were key witnesses at the trial that decided whether Terri would have wanted to be kept alive. Not surprisingly, Felos steamrollered her.

The parents obviously had no idea what they were up against until it was too late. It was only after the trial that they started going around to religious and right-to-life groups to tell their story. These organizations were very supportive, but by that point their options were already limited because the trial judge had entered a judgment finding that Terri Schiavo would not have wanted to live.

This fact is of crucial importance -- and it's one often not fully appreciated by the media, who like to focus on the drama of cases going to the big, powerful appeals courts: Once a trial court enters a judgment into the record, that judgment's findings become THE FACTS of the case, and can only be overturned if the fact finder (in this case, the judge) acted capriciously (i.e., reached a conclusion that had essentially no basis in fact).

In this case, the trial judge simply chose to believe Michael Schiavo's version of the facts over the Schindlers'. Since there was evidence to support his conclusion (in the form of testimony from Michael Schiavo's siblings), it became nearly impossible for the Schindlers to overturn it. The judges who considered the case after the trial-level proceeding could make decisions only on narrow questions of law. They had no room to ask, "Hey, wait a minute, would she really want to die?" That "fact" had already been decided.

In essence, the finding that Terri Schiavo would want to die came down to the subjective opinion of one overworked trial judge who was confronted by a very sharp, experienced right-to-die attorney on one side and a young, quasi-pro bono lawyer on the other."

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/03/i...iavo-case.html

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

"Daddy did not want to be a vegetable," said Skogen, one of his daughters-in-law at the time. "There was no decision for the family to make. He made it for them."

Even you must see this is a critical difference. You do see it don't you?

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
Now you're just into unseemly, let's-demonize bullshit. Wonder what would have happened if there wasn't agreement among the survivors about their dad's condition? Do you think that might be a rather significant difference between the cases? Do you care, as long as you can post shit critical of Delay? You're starting to rank right around the anti-Hilary socks.

I invented this....

[Adder]

Originally posted by bilmore
"In essence, the finding that Terri Schiavo would want to die came down to the subjective opinion of one overworked trial judge who was confronted by a very sharp, experienced right-to-die attorney on one side and a young, quasi-pro bono lawyer on the other."

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/03/i...iavo-case.html

That's right. Blame the lawyers. And throw in a side of judicial incompetence.

Not that the observation about the effect on appeals is inaccurate.

[Free Terri!]

Take note of this phrase for these are the words, this is the question that will haunt Governor Jeb Bush for the rest of his political and natural life. Even more tragic for the innocent patriots of this land who survive this moral catastrophe and carry on in Terri's memory is that we know that because the answer truly is "won't" that this man's moral failure will result in the election of Hillary and the downfall of the American Republic and freedom as we know it.

JEB, YOU COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING, YOU COULD SAVED A LIFE!! YOU COULD HAVE ERRED ON THE SIDE OF LIFE!!! May God have mercy on your cowardly soul this Easter.



JEB, you have turned your back on God and the founding fathers!

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (to preserve and maintain the people's God given rights), it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." -Tom Jefferson

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."- Ben Franklin

"Evil law is no law at all."- St. Augustine

"After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long period continue, to rule, is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest. But a government in which the majority rule in all cases cannot be based on justice, even as far as men understand it. Can there not be a government in which majorities do not virtually decide right and wrong, but conscience?—in which majorities decide only those questions to which the rule of expediency is applicable? Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right."-Henry David Thoreau

[Free Terri!]

As sad as this most glorious and holy day has become, we should all steady ourselves with the reality that like her lord, Jesus, the innocent Terri will be rewarded with the gift of the afterlife in God's kingdom of heaven, unlike her murderers.

Listening to the Gospel over the last several days in Church I was struck with how similar Terri's execution is to the Crucifixion and further, pray that the days following her passing will be filled with a realization of what we have done similar to that which occured in the holy land those two millenia ago, when after the Christ had arisen and the masses reflected and realized "Oh God! What have we done? what have WE done!?!? We have brutally sinfully crucified the son of God!!"

This same thunderous realization will occur in the days and weeks to follow across this once great nation on a shining hill, when the liberal death mongers return their mundane business of mocking the President's tax policy or social security and the majority of the American people in the heartland reflect on what our nation has REALLY done here. Slowly, brutally, barbarically torturing an innocent young woman to death and using the imperial judiciary to mock and taunt her grieving family.


1 Corinthians 15
51: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed–
52: in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53: For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54: When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55: “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

Greer and Felos and Whittemore et al. will feel that sting! The eternal abyss is a bleak reality too.