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		|  10-13-2003, 05:12 PM | #1 |  
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		| Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield I think its the oiliness of cooked salmon.  I can't stand swordfish either.
 |  Ah, but that's what makes it 1) really, really good for you; and, more importantly, 2) able to stand up to big red wines.  Not easy to find that in fish.  Salmon and pinot are a perfect match, but a nice piece of pan-seared Oregon chinook will work nicely with a cab.
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:13 PM | #2 |  
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		| Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (I've been bulky from the weights - it looked ridiculous)
 |   I've been bulky from sport.  I basically looked no different than I do now in clothes, but nekkid I looked like Linda Hamilton in the 2nd terminator movie (well, Arnold from the hips down).  I could not wear trousers, but I could jog up 12 flights of stairs without getting winded.  And men drooled over my rock-hard ass.
 
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:14 PM | #3 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb Women have to try really hard to get bulky, so generally don't if you aren't spending your life at it.  Nevertheless women can gain enough muscle mass to increase their, uh, burning stuff thing.  Resting metabolic rate?
 
 I really had thought you played for the straight team.
 |  I'm straight, NTTAWWT.
 
Nowadays, I see PLENTY of women who are too bulked up from weights.
 
I also see what I like to call "stairmaster ass", which when a girl's ass and upper legs have become too muscular (w/out the tone) from that exercise.  I have no empirical evidence to support this.  Just observations.
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:15 PM | #4 |  
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		| Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? I'm straight, NTTAWWT.
 
 Nowadays, I see PLENTY of women who are too bulked up from weights.
 
 I also see what I like to call "stairmaster ass", which when a girl's ass and upper legs have become too muscular (w/out the tone) from that exercise.  I have no empirical evidence to support this.  Just observations.
 |   what is "too bulked up"?  I guess this all hinges on how this is defined.  
 
And how does one get lots of muscle without any tone?  I don't do stairmaster.  I find it disturbing. |  
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		| Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? I disagree.*  Utility from cardio exercise exceeds utility from free weights when you're overweight.  Assuming you have a limited amount of time to spend exercising, weight loss will be achieved at a higher rate if one focuses on cardio.
 |   Weight loss isn't necessarily the goal.  Fat loss is.  Since muscle weighs more than fat, initially, while you're building muscle, you might not lose weight.  But you will  be losing fat.  And the toning of the muscles also helps sculpt the fat on your body for a better appearance on top of that.  So, I disagree with you.
 
Besides, I didn't say you should replace cardio with lifting.  The two should go together.
 
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:16 PM | #6 |  
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		| Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? On another note, does anyone know of any family-friendly (small children) dog breeds that also are security oriented (German Shephard)?
 |  Is there something you want to tell us?
 
And on the mundane, helpful side (now that the one liner is done), properly bred and trained German Shepherds and Rottweilers are supposed to make wonderful family dogs . The down side is that many people perceive them as vicious and will not trust them around their children. |  
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:17 PM | #7 |  
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		| Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone Ah, but that's what makes it 1) really, really good for you; and, more importantly, 2) able to stand up to big red wines.  Not easy to find that in fish.  Salmon and pinot are a perfect match, but a nice piece of pan-seared Oregon chinook will work nicely with a cab.
 |  Ah, yes, but the tastiest I've ever had is Sockeye from way up north.  I got my hands on that stuff a few years back and it was unreal. 
 
Not much of a wine drinker.  My favorite food remains tuna steak sashimi rare or steak tartare with a glass of Knob Creek.  But if I'm having wine, its usually a cab or a merlot.  Merlot compliments steak nicely and cabs are just perfect with any red sauce.  Other than champagne, I won't even sip anything white made from grapes.
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:19 PM | #8 |  
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		| Originally posted by andViolins This was driving me crazy.  I guess its a matter of where you live in the country as to whether you get the giant sized box of:
 
 
   
 |  Curiously, these are the ones I'm accustomed to.  
 
Now, legal question:  If they are jujyfruits , what's with the licorice-flavored ones?  And who came up with the idea that licorice and "fruit" flavors are two great tastes that taste great together?  They aren't.  They should remain separate, each to be enjoyed separately, in large quantities, at the movies, washed down by ginormous sodas. |  
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:21 PM | #9 |  
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		| Originally posted by robustpuppy 
 And on the mundane, helpful side (now that the one liner is done), properly bred and trained German Shepherds and Rottweilers are supposed to make wonderful family dogs . The down side is that many people perceive them as vicious and will not trust them around their children.
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:25 PM | #10 |  
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		| Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) And who came up with the idea that licorice and "fruit" flavors are two great tastes that taste great together?  They aren't.  They should remain separate,
 |   so you feel that the little black ones should be kept away from the other colors?  Veeeeeeery interesting.  Thurgreed? |  
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:28 PM | #11 |  
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		| Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic I've been bulky from sport.  I basically looked no different than I do now in clothes, but nekkid I looked like Linda Hamilton in the 2nd terminator movie (well, Arnold from the hips down).  I could not wear trousers, but I could jog up 12 flights of stairs without getting winded.  And men drooled over my rock-hard ass.
 |   And what sport would this be?
 
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb so you feel that the little black ones should be kept away from the other colors?  Veeeeeeery interesting.  Thurgreed?
 |   Wait a second.
 
Have you seen me naked?
 
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:33 PM | #13 |  
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		| Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? I'm straight, NTTAWWT.
 
 Nowadays, I see PLENTY of women who are too bulked up from weights.
 
 I also see what I like to call "stairmaster ass", which when a girl's ass and upper legs have become too muscular (w/out the tone) from that exercise.  I have no empirical evidence to support this.  Just observations.
 |  This is how my trainer explained it to me.  Women with long muscles will get bulky.  Women with short muscles won't.   I have short muscles and lift very heavy.  I don't get bulky.  You can tell if you have long or short muscles by flexing your bicep and seeing how many fingers you can put between the crease in your elbow and your bicep.  short muscles - 3-5 fingers. long muscles 1-2 fingers. |  
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:37 PM | #14 |  
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		| Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick This is how my trainer explained it to me.  Women with long muscles will get bulky.  Women with short muscles won't.   I have short muscles and lift very heavy.  I don't get bulky.  You can tell if you have long or short muscles by flexing your bicep and seeing how many fingers you can put between the crease in your elbow and your bicep.  short muscles - 3-5 fingers. long muscles 1-2 fingers.
 |   That is very interesting.  My muscles seem to be long.  I don't feel like I get bulky?  But then, who can tell under the rippling masses of fat. |  
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		|  10-13-2003, 05:38 PM | #15 |  
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		| Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall Weight loss isn't necessarily the goal.  Fat loss is.  Since muscle weighs more than fat, initially, while you're building muscle, you might not lose weight.  But you will be losing fat.  And the toning of the muscles also helps sculpt the fat on your body for a better appearance on top of that.  So, I disagree with you.
 
 Besides, I didn't say you should replace cardio with lifting.  The two should go together.
 
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 |  But weight loss is the initial and most important goal.  Muscle is  more dense than fat, but the difference is much smaller than people think (currently looking for actual density ratio).  And fat can never be transformed into muscle.  And you should  do the two together, but not until you've lost a sufficient enough weight.  Also, if it comes down to only having time to do one or the other, do the cardio.
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